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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/10/children-and-excess/#comment-903809</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 01:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent idea! It must be . . . I&#039;ve done it myself! 

The only difference is that I had several good size boxes and plastic trash bags which I had the kids fill as they picked out their old and less desired toys. Then they went with us to the Salvation Army store, or to the church rummage store and helped me deliver them. I believe that made them feel more of a part of the whole thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent idea! It must be . . . I&#8217;ve done it myself! </p>
<p>The only difference is that I had several good size boxes and plastic trash bags which I had the kids fill as they picked out their old and less desired toys. Then they went with us to the Salvation Army store, or to the church rummage store and helped me deliver them. I believe that made them feel more of a part of the whole thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanessa</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/10/children-and-excess/#comment-884527</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another thing you can suggest to relatives that simply *must* buy something (and that balk at gift cards and experiences) is for them to take the child shopping. Certainly there are great shopping districts in most towns, or a even a mall or some of the larger toy stores would make for a great all-day trip. Walk around to see the sights, have some lunch, get an afternoon ice-cream cone. It is an experience spending time with them, and then they get to let them pick out a gift as well, one that they know will be loved/played with/worn/etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing you can suggest to relatives that simply *must* buy something (and that balk at gift cards and experiences) is for them to take the child shopping. Certainly there are great shopping districts in most towns, or a even a mall or some of the larger toy stores would make for a great all-day trip. Walk around to see the sights, have some lunch, get an afternoon ice-cream cone. It is an experience spending time with them, and then they get to let them pick out a gift as well, one that they know will be loved/played with/worn/etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Georgia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With our kids, we only got one nice present and one smaller present for each.  I let them give me a list and I would get one from their list and one I picked out myself.  My son asked about this once.  I said, &quot;Did I ever get you anything you didn&#039;t want?&quot;  He said, &quot;No.&quot;  I knew my kids.  They had one set of grandparents get them a gift or two and my parents sent us a check.  I would cash the check and shop for each one of us for something to wrap and put under the tree from Grandma &amp; Grandpa N.  They did well.  (They also got presents for other times, esp. birthdays.)

When the toys accumulated, I would watch carefully for a week or two.  Then I would get a large box and install what toys they weren&#039;t playing with on a regular basis.  In about 6 months, I would bring down the box and, usually with their approval, put up the ones they were tired of for another 6 months.  Worked great.  Although, I always teased them later that their stockings became the most expensive gifts in their teens.  CD&#039;s, DVD&#039;s, watches, cosmetics, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With our kids, we only got one nice present and one smaller present for each.  I let them give me a list and I would get one from their list and one I picked out myself.  My son asked about this once.  I said, &#8220;Did I ever get you anything you didn&#8217;t want?&#8221;  He said, &#8220;No.&#8221;  I knew my kids.  They had one set of grandparents get them a gift or two and my parents sent us a check.  I would cash the check and shop for each one of us for something to wrap and put under the tree from Grandma &amp; Grandpa N.  They did well.  (They also got presents for other times, esp. birthdays.)</p>
<p>When the toys accumulated, I would watch carefully for a week or two.  Then I would get a large box and install what toys they weren&#8217;t playing with on a regular basis.  In about 6 months, I would bring down the box and, usually with their approval, put up the ones they were tired of for another 6 months.  Worked great.  Although, I always teased them later that their stockings became the most expensive gifts in their teens.  CD&#8217;s, DVD&#8217;s, watches, cosmetics, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: clc</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/10/children-and-excess/#comment-881139</link>
		<dc:creator>clc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have 2 boys and 2 girls (8 year spread in ages).  We do live in a generation where kids can easily amass a TON of toys!  Today they are aged 14-22, so I feel like I can offer our experience from the &quot;been there, and it sure worked for us,&quot; point of view.

We kept most of the toys in the garage in clear Rubbermaid boxes: the Barbie box, the racecar/Hotwheels box, Legos, Duplos, wooden train, blocks, babydolls, kitchen/playhouse toys, puzzles, some even in boxes sorted by the kids into their own unique categories.  We would vary as to how many &quot;boxes&quot; could be out at a time, and the kids loved the system as well as sorting things into boxes to put away when it was time to make a switch.  

It was a really flexible and useful system that evolved and worked for us over the years.  Great for times like; the Lego box (or something else with small pieces) could only be out when &quot;the baby&quot; was asleep.  This helped older kids be very aware of what types of things would be dangerous if a young child would put it in their mouth.  Only a couple of boxes were toys that just belonged to one kid, most were &quot;everybody&#039;s.&quot;

If a particular box went for a long time without anyone requesting it, we could either seriously consider whether the toys were worthy of keeping, OR, have fun discovering the toys all over again as if they were new.

There are so many ways this system worked that I can&#039;t even explain them all here.  Toys stayed in great condition, usually with all their pieces, which made for impressive toys the kids could sell when we had our few garage sales.  We&#039;d sort the toys into ziplock bags:  Barbies with brushed hair and accessories, with the price written on the bag.  Ziplocks worked for &quot;little junk,&quot; too.  Kid&#039;s meal toys, tiny balls, whistles -- 10 or 15 items in a gallon ziplock marked at $1 was a bargain for young shoppers. We may have held on to toys longer this way and had too many...but, since they were stored clean and organized in the garage, we actually sold enough &quot;little kid&quot; toys at a garage sale when the kids were school-aged for them to buy our first used Nintendo video game system.

Today, our kids are high-school and up, but I still have 1 box of play food/kitchen/preschool toys for visitors, and 1 BIG box of Duplos (by far the single best toy for the widest age spread, IMHO), and 1 box that has a few special toys that each of our kids wants to keep &quot;forever.&quot;

The other thing that worked along with this system (just when they were very young), was that
we used the 2 bedrooms we had for them as a sleep room (having only bed, clothes, books and stuffed animals in it) and a play room.  This kept the rest of the house fairly clutter-free, and also made for a great sleep environment. We&#039;d leave a low light on, and all kids went to bed at once (great for parents!).  The older kids had peaceful winding-down time reading, and the little ones usually went right to sleep, or copied their older sibs &quot;reading&quot; before conking out. They had very natural sleep patterns - went to &quot;bed&quot; when it was time...went to sleep when they were sleepy. Don&#039;t get me wrong, of course they&#039;d fight or become disruptive on occasion, but looking back, I think this routine continued on to great sleep habits even today.  I certainly appreciated not having 4 different bedtimes that basically took the entire evening away from Mom and Dad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have 2 boys and 2 girls (8 year spread in ages).  We do live in a generation where kids can easily amass a TON of toys!  Today they are aged 14-22, so I feel like I can offer our experience from the &#8220;been there, and it sure worked for us,&#8221; point of view.</p>
<p>We kept most of the toys in the garage in clear Rubbermaid boxes: the Barbie box, the racecar/Hotwheels box, Legos, Duplos, wooden train, blocks, babydolls, kitchen/playhouse toys, puzzles, some even in boxes sorted by the kids into their own unique categories.  We would vary as to how many &#8220;boxes&#8221; could be out at a time, and the kids loved the system as well as sorting things into boxes to put away when it was time to make a switch.  </p>
<p>It was a really flexible and useful system that evolved and worked for us over the years.  Great for times like; the Lego box (or something else with small pieces) could only be out when &#8220;the baby&#8221; was asleep.  This helped older kids be very aware of what types of things would be dangerous if a young child would put it in their mouth.  Only a couple of boxes were toys that just belonged to one kid, most were &#8220;everybody&#8217;s.&#8221;</p>
<p>If a particular box went for a long time without anyone requesting it, we could either seriously consider whether the toys were worthy of keeping, OR, have fun discovering the toys all over again as if they were new.</p>
<p>There are so many ways this system worked that I can&#8217;t even explain them all here.  Toys stayed in great condition, usually with all their pieces, which made for impressive toys the kids could sell when we had our few garage sales.  We&#8217;d sort the toys into ziplock bags:  Barbies with brushed hair and accessories, with the price written on the bag.  Ziplocks worked for &#8220;little junk,&#8221; too.  Kid&#8217;s meal toys, tiny balls, whistles &#8212; 10 or 15 items in a gallon ziplock marked at $1 was a bargain for young shoppers. We may have held on to toys longer this way and had too many&#8230;but, since they were stored clean and organized in the garage, we actually sold enough &#8220;little kid&#8221; toys at a garage sale when the kids were school-aged for them to buy our first used Nintendo video game system.</p>
<p>Today, our kids are high-school and up, but I still have 1 box of play food/kitchen/preschool toys for visitors, and 1 BIG box of Duplos (by far the single best toy for the widest age spread, IMHO), and 1 box that has a few special toys that each of our kids wants to keep &#8220;forever.&#8221;</p>
<p>The other thing that worked along with this system (just when they were very young), was that<br />
we used the 2 bedrooms we had for them as a sleep room (having only bed, clothes, books and stuffed animals in it) and a play room.  This kept the rest of the house fairly clutter-free, and also made for a great sleep environment. We&#8217;d leave a low light on, and all kids went to bed at once (great for parents!).  The older kids had peaceful winding-down time reading, and the little ones usually went right to sleep, or copied their older sibs &#8220;reading&#8221; before conking out. They had very natural sleep patterns &#8211; went to &#8220;bed&#8221; when it was time&#8230;went to sleep when they were sleepy. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, of course they&#8217;d fight or become disruptive on occasion, but looking back, I think this routine continued on to great sleep habits even today.  I certainly appreciated not having 4 different bedtimes that basically took the entire evening away from Mom and Dad.</p>
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		<title>By: reulte</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/10/children-and-excess/#comment-880067</link>
		<dc:creator>reulte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My mother was aghast to find out that I usually don&#039;t purchase my own son birthday or Christmas gifts.  

She&#039;s coming to visit in a few weeks and maybe she&#039;ll figure out why. :-)

We&#039;ll be doing a declutter purge after she leaves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother was aghast to find out that I usually don&#8217;t purchase my own son birthday or Christmas gifts.  </p>
<p>She&#8217;s coming to visit in a few weeks and maybe she&#8217;ll figure out why. :-)</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll be doing a declutter purge after she leaves.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#60 Kim:  Miss Manners would totally not approve of you being offended.  Once a gift is given, it is the givee&#039;s to dispose of.  A gift giver should not be giving the &quot;gift&quot; of obligation with the object.  You can avoid that by asking before-hand, which is much more polite than forcing your sister to either offend you by disposing of the gift or to be rude by dictating what you should buy.  Of course, she might love the gifts you give so this isn&#039;t an issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#60 Kim:  Miss Manners would totally not approve of you being offended.  Once a gift is given, it is the givee&#8217;s to dispose of.  A gift giver should not be giving the &#8220;gift&#8221; of obligation with the object.  You can avoid that by asking before-hand, which is much more polite than forcing your sister to either offend you by disposing of the gift or to be rude by dictating what you should buy.  Of course, she might love the gifts you give so this isn&#8217;t an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/10/children-and-excess/#comment-879774</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m one of the relatives that&#039;s a gift giver in many occasions.  SIL / BIL w/kids have asked nicely for books, gift cards, etc. instead of toys because the kids have waaaay too many.  Totally not offended by this - and I usually give the kids cash, art/school supplies, or gift cards anyway.  No need to bring up any subject of materialism - it usually just pisses people off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of the relatives that&#8217;s a gift giver in many occasions.  SIL / BIL w/kids have asked nicely for books, gift cards, etc. instead of toys because the kids have waaaay too many.  Totally not offended by this &#8211; and I usually give the kids cash, art/school supplies, or gift cards anyway.  No need to bring up any subject of materialism &#8211; it usually just pisses people off.</p>
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		<title>By: Melody Bakeeff</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/10/children-and-excess/#comment-879555</link>
		<dc:creator>Melody Bakeeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a 4-year-old daughter and we do many of these things. I think with regard to garage sales, it&#039;s regional. You watch those room makeover shows and you think having a yard sale is somehow the hidden treasure of the world! I had 2 here (Central FL) and won&#039;t ever have another one. $5? Please. We&#039;d be lucky to get $2 for something after the first couple hours and you end-up hauling most of the stuff down to the charity drop-off of your choice, anyway.
I absolutely involve my daughter, even when she was 2, in picking what she gets rid of. I simply told her that we could only have so many toys, so if she wanted different toys, she had to part with something! Of course it&#039;s hard for them at first, but believe me she took to it like a duck to water. She now even will volunteer stuff to get rid of off-handedly! I purge probably every few months, just because she grows out of things so quickly. I don&#039;t know about the amount=lack of attention span argument. Personally, my daughter will flit from thing-to-thing, even if it&#039;s what she&#039;s picked-up off the ground outside. Then again, I&#039;m ADD so it&#039;s very possible she&#039;ll have that as well. 
As to the &#039;talk to the relatives&#039; deal, I didn&#039;t really do that. Thankfully they mostly asked what kinds of things she liked, or are able to interact with her enough to know. Still, one thing we do (so far) is let everyone else get what they&#039;re going to and then we don&#039;t give her but maybe 1 thing. (This year it was a kid-sized set of real golf clubs) Sure, you can look at it as &#039;mom and dad are cheap and letting other people buy their kid stuff&#039; but we look at it as clutter-control! LOL Why should I buy her even more crap just because it&#039;s a holiday?! We spend quite enough during the in-between, especially since she grows like a weed at times and has a medical issue we have to fund. There&#039;s also the inevitable change in likes/emphasis, too, which means purging certain types of toys and bringing-in new ones at random times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a 4-year-old daughter and we do many of these things. I think with regard to garage sales, it&#8217;s regional. You watch those room makeover shows and you think having a yard sale is somehow the hidden treasure of the world! I had 2 here (Central FL) and won&#8217;t ever have another one. $5? Please. We&#8217;d be lucky to get $2 for something after the first couple hours and you end-up hauling most of the stuff down to the charity drop-off of your choice, anyway.<br />
I absolutely involve my daughter, even when she was 2, in picking what she gets rid of. I simply told her that we could only have so many toys, so if she wanted different toys, she had to part with something! Of course it&#8217;s hard for them at first, but believe me she took to it like a duck to water. She now even will volunteer stuff to get rid of off-handedly! I purge probably every few months, just because she grows out of things so quickly. I don&#8217;t know about the amount=lack of attention span argument. Personally, my daughter will flit from thing-to-thing, even if it&#8217;s what she&#8217;s picked-up off the ground outside. Then again, I&#8217;m ADD so it&#8217;s very possible she&#8217;ll have that as well.<br />
As to the &#8216;talk to the relatives&#8217; deal, I didn&#8217;t really do that. Thankfully they mostly asked what kinds of things she liked, or are able to interact with her enough to know. Still, one thing we do (so far) is let everyone else get what they&#8217;re going to and then we don&#8217;t give her but maybe 1 thing. (This year it was a kid-sized set of real golf clubs) Sure, you can look at it as &#8216;mom and dad are cheap and letting other people buy their kid stuff&#8217; but we look at it as clutter-control! LOL Why should I buy her even more crap just because it&#8217;s a holiday?! We spend quite enough during the in-between, especially since she grows like a weed at times and has a medical issue we have to fund. There&#8217;s also the inevitable change in likes/emphasis, too, which means purging certain types of toys and bringing-in new ones at random times.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a gift-giving aunt I would feel really upset to find out that my sister sold or gave to Gooodwill some of the gifts I just gave my nieces. I think you owe it to your friends and family to tell them that you probably will just be throwing out whatever they spend their hard-earned money on for your children. I&#039;d gladly remove you from my gift list.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a gift-giving aunt I would feel really upset to find out that my sister sold or gave to Gooodwill some of the gifts I just gave my nieces. I think you owe it to your friends and family to tell them that you probably will just be throwing out whatever they spend their hard-earned money on for your children. I&#8217;d gladly remove you from my gift list.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another good way to reduce clutter without tears is to have a yard sale, and get your kids to pick which toys they&#039;d like to sell. Explain that they can keep the money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good way to reduce clutter without tears is to have a yard sale, and get your kids to pick which toys they&#8217;d like to sell. Explain that they can keep the money.</p>
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		<title>By: triLcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>triLcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We make an effort to throw out anything broken or with missing pieces immediately if it can&#039;t be fixed immediately, since that&#039;s pure clutter. 

Another thing to consider - the cheap junk from China is actually not always a bad thing. A lot of it will break after a few weeks of play, and then it will be something that can go into the trash can. 

I give my nieces and nephews Kinder Surprises (Chocolate + a small toy). They eat the chocolate, play with the toy for a few hours, and then the toy either gets thrown in with a box of similar toys (they&#039;re all about the size of a peanut - appropriate for kids over age 3 only) or into the trash after a few days. The kids LOVE it, and it&#039;s one thing I can afford even though I&#039;m blessed with 26 nieces and nephews from just my side of the family.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We make an effort to throw out anything broken or with missing pieces immediately if it can&#8217;t be fixed immediately, since that&#8217;s pure clutter. </p>
<p>Another thing to consider &#8211; the cheap junk from China is actually not always a bad thing. A lot of it will break after a few weeks of play, and then it will be something that can go into the trash can. </p>
<p>I give my nieces and nephews Kinder Surprises (Chocolate + a small toy). They eat the chocolate, play with the toy for a few hours, and then the toy either gets thrown in with a box of similar toys (they&#8217;re all about the size of a peanut &#8211; appropriate for kids over age 3 only) or into the trash after a few days. The kids LOVE it, and it&#8217;s one thing I can afford even though I&#8217;m blessed with 26 nieces and nephews from just my side of the family.</p>
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		<title>By: partgypsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>partgypsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is the nature of having kids, of having lots of &quot;stuff&quot;.  Even if you don&#039;t buy them a single thing they will bring in stones, pinecones, feathers etc into the house for their &quot;collections&quot;.  There have been times we&#039;ve had to aggressively cull the amount of stuff they have. I do a first round of stuff I know they absolutely don&#039;t care about broken, aged out, etc toys.  Then we go through categories, like stuffed animals, dolls, books where for each category I put them in a big pile and ask them to participate in choosing some to get rid of.  Those we either donate or give to friends&#039; kids. Usually there is still too much stuff (particularly books) so a crate is put in the attic to rotate. Also seasonal books (Christmas) are put away until that time of year so they are &quot;new&quot; again. We also created a &quot;rainy day&quot; box with a variety of stuff, especially things with small parts that if left unattended would get destroyed pretty quickly, but saved for when we are actively doing things together. Since kids are constantly changing in their clothes, interests, and maturity, it is an ongoing process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is the nature of having kids, of having lots of &#8220;stuff&#8221;.  Even if you don&#8217;t buy them a single thing they will bring in stones, pinecones, feathers etc into the house for their &#8220;collections&#8221;.  There have been times we&#8217;ve had to aggressively cull the amount of stuff they have. I do a first round of stuff I know they absolutely don&#8217;t care about broken, aged out, etc toys.  Then we go through categories, like stuffed animals, dolls, books where for each category I put them in a big pile and ask them to participate in choosing some to get rid of.  Those we either donate or give to friends&#8217; kids. Usually there is still too much stuff (particularly books) so a crate is put in the attic to rotate. Also seasonal books (Christmas) are put away until that time of year so they are &#8220;new&#8221; again. We also created a &#8220;rainy day&#8221; box with a variety of stuff, especially things with small parts that if left unattended would get destroyed pretty quickly, but saved for when we are actively doing things together. Since kids are constantly changing in their clothes, interests, and maturity, it is an ongoing process.</p>
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		<title>By: michael bash</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael bash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GENERALLY ON TOYS --  Kids do have/get lots of toys, too many some say.  BUT if a kid is playing happily and quietly with anything that is not dangerous, do NOT disturb him/her to get the child to play with &quot;the special gift from Aunt Matilda&quot;.  That old tennis ball - or whatever - is, for the moment, the best toy in the world.  That&#039;s the voice of experience, i.e. 2 kids, now 30+]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GENERALLY ON TOYS &#8212;  Kids do have/get lots of toys, too many some say.  BUT if a kid is playing happily and quietly with anything that is not dangerous, do NOT disturb him/her to get the child to play with &#8220;the special gift from Aunt Matilda&#8221;.  That old tennis ball &#8211; or whatever &#8211; is, for the moment, the best toy in the world.  That&#8217;s the voice of experience, i.e. 2 kids, now 30+</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/10/children-and-excess/#comment-879108</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no problem talking to my own family about gift-giving, but there&#039;s two important differences between them and my in-laws.  1.  They share the same cultural values regarding stuff that my DH and I do and 2.  They ASK.  

The in-laws aren&#039;t stupid; they know they&#039;re a bit excessive about gift-giving, and we&#039;ve been subtly warned not to address it (under threat of more Toys that Make Noise).  DS loves the toys, even if they&#039;re not the wooden European things we would have gotten for him.  We&#039;ve just adjusted so that Santa only fills stockings and my family sticks to books and experiences.  

DS loves all his relatives equally.  I think so far we&#039;ve done a pretty good job with materialism... he hasn&#039;t gotten the gimmies yet.  It probably also helps that he&#039;s a Christmas baby so most of the year he isn&#039;t getting anything (the in-laws do send candy, clothes, and small things for holidays, and my parents send books, but again, the Easter bunny, halloween candy buyer, and other assorted holiday folks adjust accordingly).  It&#039;s still too much stuff, but we can always cull.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem talking to my own family about gift-giving, but there&#8217;s two important differences between them and my in-laws.  1.  They share the same cultural values regarding stuff that my DH and I do and 2.  They ASK.  </p>
<p>The in-laws aren&#8217;t stupid; they know they&#8217;re a bit excessive about gift-giving, and we&#8217;ve been subtly warned not to address it (under threat of more Toys that Make Noise).  DS loves the toys, even if they&#8217;re not the wooden European things we would have gotten for him.  We&#8217;ve just adjusted so that Santa only fills stockings and my family sticks to books and experiences.  </p>
<p>DS loves all his relatives equally.  I think so far we&#8217;ve done a pretty good job with materialism&#8230; he hasn&#8217;t gotten the gimmies yet.  It probably also helps that he&#8217;s a Christmas baby so most of the year he isn&#8217;t getting anything (the in-laws do send candy, clothes, and small things for holidays, and my parents send books, but again, the Easter bunny, halloween candy buyer, and other assorted holiday folks adjust accordingly).  It&#8217;s still too much stuff, but we can always cull.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/10/children-and-excess/#comment-879098</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My niece and nephew have the same problem and I know my two sisters appreciate that I give them a cheque for each birthday and christmas to go to their education funds. They don&#039;t even notice that auntie, hasn&#039;t given them anything since they have such a big pile of gifts already.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My niece and nephew have the same problem and I know my two sisters appreciate that I give them a cheque for each birthday and christmas to go to their education funds. They don&#8217;t even notice that auntie, hasn&#8217;t given them anything since they have such a big pile of gifts already.</p>
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		<title>By: DivaJean</title>
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		<dc:creator>DivaJean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have this problem at our house! And the really rough thing of it is- as the older kids are ready to move on from their toys, the younger ones are moving up into the age appropriate group for the toys we would want ot get rid of! 

We usually have the kids weed out their toys twice a year- at the beginning of summer and before the holidays. We do put up some of the toys the older ones are through with and reintroduce them to the little ones at another time. That seems to cut out the grabs to take back something that was previously determined to be babyish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have this problem at our house! And the really rough thing of it is- as the older kids are ready to move on from their toys, the younger ones are moving up into the age appropriate group for the toys we would want ot get rid of! </p>
<p>We usually have the kids weed out their toys twice a year- at the beginning of summer and before the holidays. We do put up some of the toys the older ones are through with and reintroduce them to the little ones at another time. That seems to cut out the grabs to take back something that was previously determined to be babyish.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeannette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeannette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see anything wrong with politely explaining to the grandparents (usually the most extravagant in gift-giving) and others (aunts, uncles, friends) and others what your goals are. You aren&#039;t saying Do not give gifts or discouraging their generosity, but you are providing a context.

And, if necessary, you may need to set limits. Does that go against the normal rules of gift giving? Yes, but having witnessed this first hand with my brothers kids and our parents, I know how important it is to have this conversation, even if it is ignored.

Some of these gifts are not small and create real issues for the parents and, more importantly, conflict with the parents overall values (which THEY do get to set and enforce) and house &quot;rules.&quot;
(Not to mention unnecessary conflicts between children because there are far too many grandparents who do indeed have favorites among the grandchildren. I&#039;ve seen it time and time again. Talk about setting up a family of brothers and sisters against each other. Whoa boy.)

Not to mention that kids are smart, even little ones, and not above manipulating the gift-givers to get the very things that parents have expressly forbidden (cell phones, designer clothes, video games, electronics, etc.)

Just because you are appreciative of gifts and respect the gift-givers doesn&#039;t mean you should avoid a serious discussion of what you are trying to do in raising your family. It&#039;s a serious mistake to NOT have this discussion, despite the discomfort.

In fact, I&#039;d take it one step further and make it clear that giving things that violate the ground rules you&#039;ve outlined WILL result in them being returned. Does this sound cruel? Well, here&#039;s the thing. There is a respect that needs to be shown for your role as parents, even if you are the grandparent and disagree. it&#039;s NOT your call.

There is so much emotional manipulation that goes on with gift-giving at all levels (whether grandparents admit it or not). creating limits is one way to help everyone, and not just the kids, learn about the nature of gifts, etc.

And there is another important aspect to consider. In some families, one set of grandparents and relatives may be very well off financially, while the other side is not.

This can create a lot of long-term issues as young kids, who are highly malleable, start to view one set of folks as &quot;better&quot; because they come bearing &quot;stuff&quot; they want. And do not delude yourself, kids are easily swayed by stuff, no matter who they are. It&#039;s human nature.

To me, as some others have mentioned, it should be all about personal and even home-made gifts for the kids.

Someone here wrote:
&quot;Encouraging friends/family to have a special story that they read/tell your kids or a special song/game/activity that they do with your kids will give them even more of a bond than gifts.&quot;

This is brilliant and the way it should be. I still remember fondly the uncle who, as a child, not only read to me, but who taught me to read at age 4. 

That gift literally created a whole world for me that was much needed to help offset a lot of family stuff. And it set me on a course that literally changed my life.

I can think of many relatives who taught kids to cook, to fish, to create crafts...all based on the love of sharing what they loved, passing it on and helping to expose those kids to arts, music, crafts, sports, etc. 

This is what creates real bonding. Not the stuff. 
(And please, remember when you were a kid. We all wanted stuff, whether, in the good old days, it was a bike, ballet slippers or lessons, etc.)

And if grandparents and others want to be super generous, they should be welcome to contribute to a child&#039;s educational fund. 

Parents DO have the right, I would even say an obligation, to set limits and maintain them, even if it means others are not happy.

Anyone who really loves a child, will respect that child&#039;s parents wishes and find more creative ways to give gifts, hopefully of themselves.

I&#039;m a doting aunt and I always consult with the parents re what the kids want, need, etc. as well as trying to create unique experiences one-on-one with my nephew.

By nature, I love giving gifts but I would never buy anything without really thinking about the parents&#039; value system. Have I had to restrain myself? Sure. The pleasure of being an aunt is often being able to afford something a parent can&#039;t, to get the nephew that really extravagant gift. But...that is about ME, not about the family and so I don&#039;t just do it.

I do not feel that my brother and his wife are being unreasonable or violating my &quot;rights&quot; as a doting aunt.

For those who do not heed the wishes of parents, you should really think about your true motivation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with politely explaining to the grandparents (usually the most extravagant in gift-giving) and others (aunts, uncles, friends) and others what your goals are. You aren&#8217;t saying Do not give gifts or discouraging their generosity, but you are providing a context.</p>
<p>And, if necessary, you may need to set limits. Does that go against the normal rules of gift giving? Yes, but having witnessed this first hand with my brothers kids and our parents, I know how important it is to have this conversation, even if it is ignored.</p>
<p>Some of these gifts are not small and create real issues for the parents and, more importantly, conflict with the parents overall values (which THEY do get to set and enforce) and house &#8220;rules.&#8221;<br />
(Not to mention unnecessary conflicts between children because there are far too many grandparents who do indeed have favorites among the grandchildren. I&#8217;ve seen it time and time again. Talk about setting up a family of brothers and sisters against each other. Whoa boy.)</p>
<p>Not to mention that kids are smart, even little ones, and not above manipulating the gift-givers to get the very things that parents have expressly forbidden (cell phones, designer clothes, video games, electronics, etc.)</p>
<p>Just because you are appreciative of gifts and respect the gift-givers doesn&#8217;t mean you should avoid a serious discussion of what you are trying to do in raising your family. It&#8217;s a serious mistake to NOT have this discussion, despite the discomfort.</p>
<p>In fact, I&#8217;d take it one step further and make it clear that giving things that violate the ground rules you&#8217;ve outlined WILL result in them being returned. Does this sound cruel? Well, here&#8217;s the thing. There is a respect that needs to be shown for your role as parents, even if you are the grandparent and disagree. it&#8217;s NOT your call.</p>
<p>There is so much emotional manipulation that goes on with gift-giving at all levels (whether grandparents admit it or not). creating limits is one way to help everyone, and not just the kids, learn about the nature of gifts, etc.</p>
<p>And there is another important aspect to consider. In some families, one set of grandparents and relatives may be very well off financially, while the other side is not.</p>
<p>This can create a lot of long-term issues as young kids, who are highly malleable, start to view one set of folks as &#8220;better&#8221; because they come bearing &#8220;stuff&#8221; they want. And do not delude yourself, kids are easily swayed by stuff, no matter who they are. It&#8217;s human nature.</p>
<p>To me, as some others have mentioned, it should be all about personal and even home-made gifts for the kids.</p>
<p>Someone here wrote:<br />
&#8220;Encouraging friends/family to have a special story that they read/tell your kids or a special song/game/activity that they do with your kids will give them even more of a bond than gifts.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is brilliant and the way it should be. I still remember fondly the uncle who, as a child, not only read to me, but who taught me to read at age 4. </p>
<p>That gift literally created a whole world for me that was much needed to help offset a lot of family stuff. And it set me on a course that literally changed my life.</p>
<p>I can think of many relatives who taught kids to cook, to fish, to create crafts&#8230;all based on the love of sharing what they loved, passing it on and helping to expose those kids to arts, music, crafts, sports, etc. </p>
<p>This is what creates real bonding. Not the stuff.<br />
(And please, remember when you were a kid. We all wanted stuff, whether, in the good old days, it was a bike, ballet slippers or lessons, etc.)</p>
<p>And if grandparents and others want to be super generous, they should be welcome to contribute to a child&#8217;s educational fund. </p>
<p>Parents DO have the right, I would even say an obligation, to set limits and maintain them, even if it means others are not happy.</p>
<p>Anyone who really loves a child, will respect that child&#8217;s parents wishes and find more creative ways to give gifts, hopefully of themselves.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a doting aunt and I always consult with the parents re what the kids want, need, etc. as well as trying to create unique experiences one-on-one with my nephew.</p>
<p>By nature, I love giving gifts but I would never buy anything without really thinking about the parents&#8217; value system. Have I had to restrain myself? Sure. The pleasure of being an aunt is often being able to afford something a parent can&#8217;t, to get the nephew that really extravagant gift. But&#8230;that is about ME, not about the family and so I don&#8217;t just do it.</p>
<p>I do not feel that my brother and his wife are being unreasonable or violating my &#8220;rights&#8221; as a doting aunt.</p>
<p>For those who do not heed the wishes of parents, you should really think about your true motivation.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/10/children-and-excess/#comment-878986</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, what a popular post! Here is what works well for us ... At Christmas time, I limit the toy items that they can actually open (and play with). They are so &quot;into&quot; playing with only one or two, that I hide the unopened toys and either re-gift them or take them back to the store (yes, without a receipt and without telling the relative that gave it!!) My children are 5 yrs, 3 yrs and 7 months; so this works right now. Good Luck!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a popular post! Here is what works well for us &#8230; At Christmas time, I limit the toy items that they can actually open (and play with). They are so &#8220;into&#8221; playing with only one or two, that I hide the unopened toys and either re-gift them or take them back to the store (yes, without a receipt and without telling the relative that gave it!!) My children are 5 yrs, 3 yrs and 7 months; so this works right now. Good Luck!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/03/10/children-and-excess/#comment-878955</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trent, I think it&#039;s a great sign of your growth as a blogger that you end asking the readers for their thoughts - especially given the history with kid-related posts ;-)!  Keep up the great work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, I think it&#8217;s a great sign of your growth as a blogger that you end asking the readers for their thoughts &#8211; especially given the history with kid-related posts ;-)!  Keep up the great work.</p>
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		<title>By: Hope D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hope D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My sister loved to play the claw machines.  She was very good at it.  This was at a time when the machines were filled with teddy bear beanies from sports teams.  She probably gave my children around 30.  She gave my other sister around the same amount.  She also kept some.  My children accumulated so many other stuffed animals too.  We told each child they could have only a certain amount of stuffed animals.  We got rid of 2 big black trash bags full.  Not one of those teddy bear beanies were thrown out.  My kids loved them.  They had games made up surrounding them.  My sister said her children were the same way.  

In my house, the kids like collections.  A barbie collection,  a polly pocket collection, legos, bionicles, duplo blocks, play food and k&#039;nex are some of the collections.  If someone asks what my child wants for Birthday of Christmas,  I tell them about the collections.  They don&#039;t always buy a barbie, but instead buy clothes or something that would augment the collections.  That makes play more fun.  Baseplates for legos make great gifts, too.  It really allows more than one or two children to play at once.  We put the collections in big bins that are easy to pull out and put away.  Clear bins are great for this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sister loved to play the claw machines.  She was very good at it.  This was at a time when the machines were filled with teddy bear beanies from sports teams.  She probably gave my children around 30.  She gave my other sister around the same amount.  She also kept some.  My children accumulated so many other stuffed animals too.  We told each child they could have only a certain amount of stuffed animals.  We got rid of 2 big black trash bags full.  Not one of those teddy bear beanies were thrown out.  My kids loved them.  They had games made up surrounding them.  My sister said her children were the same way.  </p>
<p>In my house, the kids like collections.  A barbie collection,  a polly pocket collection, legos, bionicles, duplo blocks, play food and k&#8217;nex are some of the collections.  If someone asks what my child wants for Birthday of Christmas,  I tell them about the collections.  They don&#8217;t always buy a barbie, but instead buy clothes or something that would augment the collections.  That makes play more fun.  Baseplates for legos make great gifts, too.  It really allows more than one or two children to play at once.  We put the collections in big bins that are easy to pull out and put away.  Clear bins are great for this.</p>
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