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		<title>By: Tim. yaratch</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/08/22/five-thoughts-about-making-college-great/#comment-925183</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim. yaratch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this artcal talks about alot of good things that new students like me need to hear. Im majoring in dance and minoring in buisness but at the sme time im thinking about changing my major because of todays job market but dancing and performing is what i want to do with my life. I also baleave that building relationships with your teachers and people around you that have the same interest and goals in a good thing cause they can help you along your road. Critical thinking as a new student is very importent and needs to be done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this artcal talks about alot of good things that new students like me need to hear. Im majoring in dance and minoring in buisness but at the sme time im thinking about changing my major because of todays job market but dancing and performing is what i want to do with my life. I also baleave that building relationships with your teachers and people around you that have the same interest and goals in a good thing cause they can help you along your road. Critical thinking as a new student is very importent and needs to be done.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 04:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These &quot;5 tips&quot; are actually the same things that everyone tells you when you go to college.  The illusion that college is about learning &quot;life skills&quot; is pretty pervasive and is dead wrong.  Most people I knew from college graduated without any life skills, and simply having a college degree is not enough to land a job.  The only really good advice is to network.  That plus luck is what&#039;s really going to get you a job after college.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These &#8220;5 tips&#8221; are actually the same things that everyone tells you when you go to college.  The illusion that college is about learning &#8220;life skills&#8221; is pretty pervasive and is dead wrong.  Most people I knew from college graduated without any life skills, and simply having a college degree is not enough to land a job.  The only really good advice is to network.  That plus luck is what&#8217;s really going to get you a job after college.</p>
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		<title>By: gowri shanker</title>
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		<dc:creator>gowri shanker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[great article mr.trent
i am sitting at india and finding at ties your articles are mind boggling
nice to have an article like this thanks mr. trent]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great article mr.trent<br />
i am sitting at india and finding at ties your articles are mind boggling<br />
nice to have an article like this thanks mr. trent</p>
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		<title>By: Becca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By far the most valuable thing I learned in college was how to think critically. 

Writing skills were a close second.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By far the most valuable thing I learned in college was how to think critically. </p>
<p>Writing skills were a close second.</p>
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		<title>By: Tameh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tameh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 05:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am an 18 year old, soon-to-be college freshman. You nailed all of the points that I have been pondering about this summer. Many a time, I&#039;ve been given advice related to majors, costs, and professors, among other general college topics. However, not once has someone (parents, brothers, friends, relatives--even my high school guidance counselor) asked me what I am interested in, what I want to do. People, or at least the people in my life, should give their student room to understand themselves, as you so excellently spelled out in this wonderful piece. Thanks for making me feel better about my attending college in six days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an 18 year old, soon-to-be college freshman. You nailed all of the points that I have been pondering about this summer. Many a time, I&#8217;ve been given advice related to majors, costs, and professors, among other general college topics. However, not once has someone (parents, brothers, friends, relatives&#8211;even my high school guidance counselor) asked me what I am interested in, what I want to do. People, or at least the people in my life, should give their student room to understand themselves, as you so excellently spelled out in this wonderful piece. Thanks for making me feel better about my attending college in six days.</p>
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		<title>By: Evita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh Katie, you are right, I did not edit my post. And I should know: my girlfriend did hard science with me and became a doctor…… I became an accountant after doing one extra year to bring my classes up to date for my program…..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Katie, you are right, I did not edit my post. And I should know: my girlfriend did hard science with me and became a doctor…… I became an accountant after doing one extra year to bring my classes up to date for my program…..</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;How many doctors, accountants, engineers, criminologists, nurses started as English or biology majors?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, a ton of doctors started as biology majors.  That&#039;s a pretty standard pre-med major.  And I can&#039;t speak for criminologists, but &quot;practical&quot; majors like criminology and criminal justice are &lt;i&gt;disfavored&lt;/i&gt; in law school applicants.  Studies show that students with &quot;useless&quot; majors like English or biology tend to do better in law school.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How many doctors, accountants, engineers, criminologists, nurses started as English or biology majors?</i></p>
<p>Uh, a ton of doctors started as biology majors.  That&#8217;s a pretty standard pre-med major.  And I can&#8217;t speak for criminologists, but &#8220;practical&#8221; majors like criminology and criminal justice are <i>disfavored</i> in law school applicants.  Studies show that students with &#8220;useless&#8221; majors like English or biology tend to do better in law school.</p>
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		<title>By: Evita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trent, what makes you think that your own personal experience is universally useful? Yes, “you” did well, good for you! But it worked because you are now your own boss. Not the situation for the majority of workers!

College can cost thousands of dollars and so much time. Get real, implying that the major is not important is financial suicide! How many doctors, accountants, engineers, criminologists, nurses started as English or biology majors? Now that jobs are scarce and the competition fierce, who wants to make a costly, useless choice? Paying that much for friendship and contacts, well…... it does not grab be either.

Just hoping that teens do not read you and take your advice seriously...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, what makes you think that your own personal experience is universally useful? Yes, “you” did well, good for you! But it worked because you are now your own boss. Not the situation for the majority of workers!</p>
<p>College can cost thousands of dollars and so much time. Get real, implying that the major is not important is financial suicide! How many doctors, accountants, engineers, criminologists, nurses started as English or biology majors? Now that jobs are scarce and the competition fierce, who wants to make a costly, useless choice? Paying that much for friendship and contacts, well…&#8230; it does not grab be either.</p>
<p>Just hoping that teens do not read you and take your advice seriously&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Janie Riddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janie Riddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having watched a young man I know struggle with getting a job I am amazed how many jobs will not even let you apply without a college degree.  I think part of this is because there is so much foolishness going on in high school. 
My daughter has a masters degree. She went to tech school in high school and received 9 hours college credit for that. She took 12 hours at the local junior or community college the summer after high school graduation to get those credit hours. No, this was not her idea of a fun summer.
She went off to a small private college for her two year degree.  She had a scholarship for tuition and a loan for room and board. The second year she worked as a Resident assistant to help with room and board.  She went to a 4 year old school next that was not a good fit for her and too expensive for us.  She came home and went to the local 4 year school to get her 4 year degree.  It took her a total of 4 and a half years to get the degree and another year to get the master&#039;s degree. Neither my husband nor myself have a college degree so we have seen both sides of the coin.  We did not need a degree for the job we could do years ago. This is often no longer the case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having watched a young man I know struggle with getting a job I am amazed how many jobs will not even let you apply without a college degree.  I think part of this is because there is so much foolishness going on in high school.<br />
My daughter has a masters degree. She went to tech school in high school and received 9 hours college credit for that. She took 12 hours at the local junior or community college the summer after high school graduation to get those credit hours. No, this was not her idea of a fun summer.<br />
She went off to a small private college for her two year degree.  She had a scholarship for tuition and a loan for room and board. The second year she worked as a Resident assistant to help with room and board.  She went to a 4 year old school next that was not a good fit for her and too expensive for us.  She came home and went to the local 4 year school to get her 4 year degree.  It took her a total of 4 and a half years to get the degree and another year to get the master&#8217;s degree. Neither my husband nor myself have a college degree so we have seen both sides of the coin.  We did not need a degree for the job we could do years ago. This is often no longer the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...it’s almost always free, and there’s almost always free food there.&quot;
Very true, although I stuck with this philosophy: come for the free pizza, leave before they pass out the Kool-Aid. Always seemed to me that some questionable campus groups really like to get their hooks in unsuspecting kids.

But there&#039;s a lot of good advice in this post. I wish someone had been mentioned them to me a few years ago before I went to college. I studied hard and did well, but the &quot;make lasting relationships&quot; thing wasn&#039;t tops on my list. But that&#039;s partly my personality and I don&#039;t regret how it worked out. Oh, and there&#039;s absolutely nothing wrong with a &quot;cheap&quot; state school. I&#039;d take $60k in tuition for 4 years over 1 year at a fancy school.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;it’s almost always free, and there’s almost always free food there.&#8221;<br />
Very true, although I stuck with this philosophy: come for the free pizza, leave before they pass out the Kool-Aid. Always seemed to me that some questionable campus groups really like to get their hooks in unsuspecting kids.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s a lot of good advice in this post. I wish someone had been mentioned them to me a few years ago before I went to college. I studied hard and did well, but the &#8220;make lasting relationships&#8221; thing wasn&#8217;t tops on my list. But that&#8217;s partly my personality and I don&#8217;t regret how it worked out. Oh, and there&#8217;s absolutely nothing wrong with a &#8220;cheap&#8221; state school. I&#8217;d take $60k in tuition for 4 years over 1 year at a fancy school.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@kristine: &quot;I have my doubts that this blog attracts teens&quot;

Good point. :)  But you never know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kristine: &#8220;I have my doubts that this blog attracts teens&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point. :)  But you never know.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I largely disagree with people who say there&#039;s no point in going to college if you don&#039;t know what you want to do.  No point in racking up huge amounts of debt, absolutely - go for a community college first or a relatively cheap state school.  And definitely there can be a lot of value in taking a year or two to work before going to college.  But every study that&#039;s been done shows that college, statistically speaking, more than pays for itself in terms of income regardless of what you major in.  That doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not wise to limit the costs, but I do think it&#039;s a little silly to say that college is just an end to some very specific means; the fact is, it&#039;s on the whole economically (to say nothing of personally) beneficial regardless of what you&#039;re studying.  

That doesn&#039;t mean that there aren&#039;t people who will do better in the military or a trade school.  But by and large, let&#039;s not dismiss college just because spending four years studying, I don&#039;t know, English literature seems &quot;useless&quot; to someone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I largely disagree with people who say there&#8217;s no point in going to college if you don&#8217;t know what you want to do.  No point in racking up huge amounts of debt, absolutely &#8211; go for a community college first or a relatively cheap state school.  And definitely there can be a lot of value in taking a year or two to work before going to college.  But every study that&#8217;s been done shows that college, statistically speaking, more than pays for itself in terms of income regardless of what you major in.  That doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not wise to limit the costs, but I do think it&#8217;s a little silly to say that college is just an end to some very specific means; the fact is, it&#8217;s on the whole economically (to say nothing of personally) beneficial regardless of what you&#8217;re studying.  </p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean that there aren&#8217;t people who will do better in the military or a trade school.  But by and large, let&#8217;s not dismiss college just because spending four years studying, I don&#8217;t know, English literature seems &#8220;useless&#8221; to someone.</p>
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		<title>By: Kara White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kara White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 04:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t go to college, so maybe not having the experience colors my opinion.  I have to agree with Kate, though.  If you are going to college without ANY idea of what you want to do, then maybe you shouldn&#039;t go to college.  If all you want to do is network, then join the military, go to trade school, or just get a job!  You will find people to netowrk with, and you will also find an apreciation of school that you may not have had right out of high school.  

The commenter who said that this article is for college students starting tomorrow is right.  The decision has been made, and tomorrow is the start of a new adventure!  My congratulations to the kids who are starting college, and you should probably take Trent&#039;s advice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t go to college, so maybe not having the experience colors my opinion.  I have to agree with Kate, though.  If you are going to college without ANY idea of what you want to do, then maybe you shouldn&#8217;t go to college.  If all you want to do is network, then join the military, go to trade school, or just get a job!  You will find people to netowrk with, and you will also find an apreciation of school that you may not have had right out of high school.  </p>
<p>The commenter who said that this article is for college students starting tomorrow is right.  The decision has been made, and tomorrow is the start of a new adventure!  My congratulations to the kids who are starting college, and you should probably take Trent&#8217;s advice.</p>
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		<title>By: kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Johanna,

I have my doubts that this blog attracts teens, but you are right to qualify my comment with that in mind.

I live on LI, NY, where the competition is pretty intense. There are many wealthy kids who get college &quot;coaches&quot; directing their extra-curriculars, and contests, and class choices, from grade 9. They &quot;coach&quot; the essays. (I do not approve of such things.) There are so many excellent public schools, and a glut of college prep private schools as well, that while colleges insist they have no quota, there are limits to how many from a school/town/LI they will take. Everyone, and I mean everyone who possibly can, pays thousands for SAT/ACT courses. We did one of those. From first practice to the actual test, our daughter&#039;s SAT score went up 250 on the SAT. I recommend the courses, and do not regret going all out on that. 

A far as business connections I got my first job from a professor, and my newest gig, teaching grad school, from my advisor in grad school! And I get terrific recommendations from advisor from my other masters, which still gets me calls for teaching interviews, even when I am not looking, and jobs are scarce. I am sure she has other fine students, but I behaved like I was going to work, not class. I was older than the other students, and understood this. Always make the best possible impression on your teachers. If you want them to think of you for professional gigs, behave like a professional in your classes. 
Often employers will call a school, and the head of the dept. will recommend the student they know will show up on time, and get work done on time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna,</p>
<p>I have my doubts that this blog attracts teens, but you are right to qualify my comment with that in mind.</p>
<p>I live on LI, NY, where the competition is pretty intense. There are many wealthy kids who get college &#8220;coaches&#8221; directing their extra-curriculars, and contests, and class choices, from grade 9. They &#8220;coach&#8221; the essays. (I do not approve of such things.) There are so many excellent public schools, and a glut of college prep private schools as well, that while colleges insist they have no quota, there are limits to how many from a school/town/LI they will take. Everyone, and I mean everyone who possibly can, pays thousands for SAT/ACT courses. We did one of those. From first practice to the actual test, our daughter&#8217;s SAT score went up 250 on the SAT. I recommend the courses, and do not regret going all out on that. </p>
<p>A far as business connections I got my first job from a professor, and my newest gig, teaching grad school, from my advisor in grad school! And I get terrific recommendations from advisor from my other masters, which still gets me calls for teaching interviews, even when I am not looking, and jobs are scarce. I am sure she has other fine students, but I behaved like I was going to work, not class. I was older than the other students, and understood this. Always make the best possible impression on your teachers. If you want them to think of you for professional gigs, behave like a professional in your classes.<br />
Often employers will call a school, and the head of the dept. will recommend the student they know will show up on time, and get work done on time.</p>
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		<title>By: valleycat1</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 01:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to say I derived very little benefit from the relationships formed in college (I&#039;m 57 now) - but I&#039;m very much a loner &amp; &#039;do it myself&#039; type.  I would hope that the major take away from college would be the education you&#039;ve received.

That said, I do agree that it isn&#039;t necessary to have a firm major in mind when starting college. (Back in my college days, we didn&#039;t have to declare a major until junior year!)  I&#039;m a strong believer in broad application that liberal arts classes give a person.  When my daughter was visiting colleges, the admissions people seemed delighted that she hadn&#039;t yet selected a major.  However, these days if you decide after your freshman year to go pursue a specific career, you can be behind &amp; take additional years to complete all the required courses because of the way some degree tracks are built (engineering is a good example).

Having just read Dave Ramsey&#039;s book (finally), I found his chapter on saving for college most interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I derived very little benefit from the relationships formed in college (I&#8217;m 57 now) &#8211; but I&#8217;m very much a loner &amp; &#8216;do it myself&#8217; type.  I would hope that the major take away from college would be the education you&#8217;ve received.</p>
<p>That said, I do agree that it isn&#8217;t necessary to have a firm major in mind when starting college. (Back in my college days, we didn&#8217;t have to declare a major until junior year!)  I&#8217;m a strong believer in broad application that liberal arts classes give a person.  When my daughter was visiting colleges, the admissions people seemed delighted that she hadn&#8217;t yet selected a major.  However, these days if you decide after your freshman year to go pursue a specific career, you can be behind &amp; take additional years to complete all the required courses because of the way some degree tracks are built (engineering is a good example).</p>
<p>Having just read Dave Ramsey&#8217;s book (finally), I found his chapter on saving for college most interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: bethany</title>
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		<dc:creator>bethany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 01:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trent, I thought this was great advice. Especially the bit about transferrable skills. The critical thinking and communicating college should teach students is worth the investment.
My experience is different from Kate&#039;s apparent bitterness (most public colleges cost less than 50K. They are indeed expensive, but scholarships are plentiful, especially for people who work hard and smart to make good grades) and Kristina&#039;s apparent cuthroat world. I went to a non-elite private college (on scholarship) and got into a great grad program. I worked at subway in high school. This was only ten years ago. My husband changed majors partway through and has a great job in his new area, using the specific skills from only one class.
Sure, college isn&#039;t reachable for everyone and it&#039;s definitely not fair, but this advice matches my experience really well, and as somebody who is applying for jobs as a professor, I wish more students would read it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, I thought this was great advice. Especially the bit about transferrable skills. The critical thinking and communicating college should teach students is worth the investment.<br />
My experience is different from Kate&#8217;s apparent bitterness (most public colleges cost less than 50K. They are indeed expensive, but scholarships are plentiful, especially for people who work hard and smart to make good grades) and Kristina&#8217;s apparent cuthroat world. I went to a non-elite private college (on scholarship) and got into a great grad program. I worked at subway in high school. This was only ten years ago. My husband changed majors partway through and has a great job in his new area, using the specific skills from only one class.<br />
Sure, college isn&#8217;t reachable for everyone and it&#8217;s definitely not fair, but this advice matches my experience really well, and as somebody who is applying for jobs as a professor, I wish more students would read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/08/22/five-thoughts-about-making-college-great/#comment-922043</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Cheryl: I think what you&#039;re calling &quot;whining&quot; is people responding to Trent&#039;s first point that &quot;you don&#039;t have to know what you want to do right now.&quot;  It&#039;s true that you don&#039;t have to have your whole life planned out from the first day of freshman orientation - and if you do, there&#039;s a good chance that your plan will change several times - but if you don&#039;t have at least some idea what you want to major in, maybe it&#039;s not such a good idea for you to be starting college right now.

Among other reasons, in many majors (such as sciences and languages), you have to take a lot of introductory classes before you even get to the ones that count toward the major.  If you don&#039;t get started on the introductory sequence right away, you might not be able to finish your degree in four years, which means paying an extra year&#039;s tuition.

Yes, there are a lot of people (like Trent) who don&#039;t end up working in something related to their major.  But there are also a lot of people (like me) who do.  Your choice of major doesn&#039;t dictate your whole path in life, but it does close off some paths, or at least makes them much, much harder.  So it *is* a big decision.

(And in case any high school students are reading kristine&#039;s comment and panicking because their schools don&#039;t offer mentorships or that many AP classes, don&#039;t worry - colleges will take that into consideration.  Take advantage of all the opportunities made available to you, and do your best to make some opportunities of your own, and you&#039;ll be fine.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cheryl: I think what you&#8217;re calling &#8220;whining&#8221; is people responding to Trent&#8217;s first point that &#8220;you don&#8217;t have to know what you want to do right now.&#8221;  It&#8217;s true that you don&#8217;t have to have your whole life planned out from the first day of freshman orientation &#8211; and if you do, there&#8217;s a good chance that your plan will change several times &#8211; but if you don&#8217;t have at least some idea what you want to major in, maybe it&#8217;s not such a good idea for you to be starting college right now.</p>
<p>Among other reasons, in many majors (such as sciences and languages), you have to take a lot of introductory classes before you even get to the ones that count toward the major.  If you don&#8217;t get started on the introductory sequence right away, you might not be able to finish your degree in four years, which means paying an extra year&#8217;s tuition.</p>
<p>Yes, there are a lot of people (like Trent) who don&#8217;t end up working in something related to their major.  But there are also a lot of people (like me) who do.  Your choice of major doesn&#8217;t dictate your whole path in life, but it does close off some paths, or at least makes them much, much harder.  So it *is* a big decision.</p>
<p>(And in case any high school students are reading kristine&#8217;s comment and panicking because their schools don&#8217;t offer mentorships or that many AP classes, don&#8217;t worry &#8211; colleges will take that into consideration.  Take advantage of all the opportunities made available to you, and do your best to make some opportunities of your own, and you&#8217;ll be fine.)</p>
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		<title>By: kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you are a high school student who excels, and are shooting for a full scholarship to say, 2nd tier, you had better have an idea of your major. They are looking not for kids who will be &quot;great students and hold promise&quot;, they are looking for kids who are already on their way to be coming a &quot;name&quot; in a particular field. The upper achieving half of the seniors at our public high school have already done mentorships with PHDs, working at Universities over the summer after junior year on what would be typically be a grad student&#039;s research. They typically take 4 AP (college) classes per year from 10th grade on. It depends on what career you want, and how far in the vanguard you want to be. For these kinds of kids,going into an interview not knowing their major is a mistake. The competition for merit scholarships is intense, as they grow more and more rare. My 16yo old daughter spent the first 2/3 of the summer working on a cure for cancer, at a University, tracking laser pulses through carbon nanotubes into stem cells, which causes the stem cells to turn into the kind of cells around it, in this case, bone. Her job is to figure out, using chemical markers at a nano-scale, why it works, so it can be used in other body areas. The world has changed. I mean come on, at 16, I worked at a pizzeria! These days you need people connections and recommendations to even get in the door, never-mind when you get there! (My daughter tells me what she wants to do, and I just facilitate the best I can, nodding and chaufering. I do not believe in pressuring kids, but it is unfair to paint an unrealistic picture of the playing field.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are a high school student who excels, and are shooting for a full scholarship to say, 2nd tier, you had better have an idea of your major. They are looking not for kids who will be &#8220;great students and hold promise&#8221;, they are looking for kids who are already on their way to be coming a &#8220;name&#8221; in a particular field. The upper achieving half of the seniors at our public high school have already done mentorships with PHDs, working at Universities over the summer after junior year on what would be typically be a grad student&#8217;s research. They typically take 4 AP (college) classes per year from 10th grade on. It depends on what career you want, and how far in the vanguard you want to be. For these kinds of kids,going into an interview not knowing their major is a mistake. The competition for merit scholarships is intense, as they grow more and more rare. My 16yo old daughter spent the first 2/3 of the summer working on a cure for cancer, at a University, tracking laser pulses through carbon nanotubes into stem cells, which causes the stem cells to turn into the kind of cells around it, in this case, bone. Her job is to figure out, using chemical markers at a nano-scale, why it works, so it can be used in other body areas. The world has changed. I mean come on, at 16, I worked at a pizzeria! These days you need people connections and recommendations to even get in the door, never-mind when you get there! (My daughter tells me what she wants to do, and I just facilitate the best I can, nodding and chaufering. I do not believe in pressuring kids, but it is unfair to paint an unrealistic picture of the playing field.)</p>
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		<title>By: Camille</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/08/22/five-thoughts-about-making-college-great/#comment-922032</link>
		<dc:creator>Camille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Trent for highlighting the less obvious pro&#039;s to a university degree.  I have a BSc and have decided to be a homemaker instead (for now).  So many people have said &quot;it&#039;s such a waste&quot; and so on when I don&#039;t feel it&#039;s a waste at all.  I learned so much about myself and the skills that Trent listed above, that yes, even though it did cost me a lot of money, I don&#039;t believe it was a complete waste. I loved every minute of my degree but right now my life choices have taken me in another direction. If anything, I have a wealth of knowledge to share with my children and instill in them a love of nature like I have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Trent for highlighting the less obvious pro&#8217;s to a university degree.  I have a BSc and have decided to be a homemaker instead (for now).  So many people have said &#8220;it&#8217;s such a waste&#8221; and so on when I don&#8217;t feel it&#8217;s a waste at all.  I learned so much about myself and the skills that Trent listed above, that yes, even though it did cost me a lot of money, I don&#8217;t believe it was a complete waste. I loved every minute of my degree but right now my life choices have taken me in another direction. If anything, I have a wealth of knowledge to share with my children and instill in them a love of nature like I have.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I home school my children, and tomorrow the older two are beginning to take college courses. At 15 and 17, they are taking English Comp 101, Geology 101, a PE, and high school level algebra.  I have always told them that I want them to declare &quot;undecided&quot; as their major for the first two years, so I quite agree with your advice on that matter.  

As for the second and third points, I think these are subjective things that likely differ from person to person, from major to major, and from campus to campus.  

And for all those people whining about the value of a college education...this is quite clearly a post on getting the most out of your college experience---a decision that has already been made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I home school my children, and tomorrow the older two are beginning to take college courses. At 15 and 17, they are taking English Comp 101, Geology 101, a PE, and high school level algebra.  I have always told them that I want them to declare &#8220;undecided&#8221; as their major for the first two years, so I quite agree with your advice on that matter.  </p>
<p>As for the second and third points, I think these are subjective things that likely differ from person to person, from major to major, and from campus to campus.  </p>
<p>And for all those people whining about the value of a college education&#8230;this is quite clearly a post on getting the most out of your college experience&#8212;a decision that has already been made.</p>
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