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	<title>Comments on: A Deeper Look at Quibids &#8230; and Why I Don&#8217;t Think It&#8217;s Worth It</title>
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		<title>By: Terri T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terri T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Been there, done that Trent, but the site is called &quot;Beezids&quot;. I guess I was lucky; I signed up after a commercial advertised that Dish Network customers would automatically receive 50 free bids. I purchased 50 bids also, at a cost of $40, which gave me 100 bids total. While perusing the site, I place 6 bids on a Wii game console with Sports Resort and another game, plus a bundle of those Wii &#039;attachments&#039;... twenty in all. I priced the Wii package at $279.99. Truly, it was more of a &#039;what the heck&#039; reason that I bid on it at all, but ended up winning after 6 bids, and with only $60 out of pocket cost ($40 that bought some bids, and $19.99 S&amp;H).

I have since returned a few times to bid on some things, but have not purchased more bids. I have a few left, and in all likelihood, may never return to use them up.

After reading some other sites about Beezid, I began to watch the bidding &quot;patterns&quot;. I felt quite strongly, as others had commented, that there may well be &#039;employed bidders&#039;, who run the auctions up and occasionally &quot;win&quot; to entice others.

Long and short, I was very lucky and we&#039;re enjoying the game. To anyone with a *hint* of lack of self-control over their spending/gambling, I urge you to &quot;stay away&quot; from these sites. There is much more at work than just patience and luck!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been there, done that Trent, but the site is called &#8220;Beezids&#8221;. I guess I was lucky; I signed up after a commercial advertised that Dish Network customers would automatically receive 50 free bids. I purchased 50 bids also, at a cost of $40, which gave me 100 bids total. While perusing the site, I place 6 bids on a Wii game console with Sports Resort and another game, plus a bundle of those Wii &#8216;attachments&#8217;&#8230; twenty in all. I priced the Wii package at $279.99. Truly, it was more of a &#8216;what the heck&#8217; reason that I bid on it at all, but ended up winning after 6 bids, and with only $60 out of pocket cost ($40 that bought some bids, and $19.99 S&amp;H).</p>
<p>I have since returned a few times to bid on some things, but have not purchased more bids. I have a few left, and in all likelihood, may never return to use them up.</p>
<p>After reading some other sites about Beezid, I began to watch the bidding &#8220;patterns&#8221;. I felt quite strongly, as others had commented, that there may well be &#8216;employed bidders&#8217;, who run the auctions up and occasionally &#8220;win&#8221; to entice others.</p>
<p>Long and short, I was very lucky and we&#8217;re enjoying the game. To anyone with a *hint* of lack of self-control over their spending/gambling, I urge you to &#8220;stay away&#8221; from these sites. There is much more at work than just patience and luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I briefly worked for a company that had an ecommerce website and was considering building a auction site like the one you describe. 

While they are not a complete scam because you sometimes get lucky, they are at best gambling and in a gray area legally. 

The odds you&#039;ll come out ahead are extremely low. We only considered building the site to make money fast, but the staff felt it was just too slimy a way to make money and we didn&#039;t want to do it.

One guy one the team actually became addicted to one of the auction sites and lost his job because he failed to show up for three days in a row.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I briefly worked for a company that had an ecommerce website and was considering building a auction site like the one you describe. </p>
<p>While they are not a complete scam because you sometimes get lucky, they are at best gambling and in a gray area legally. </p>
<p>The odds you&#8217;ll come out ahead are extremely low. We only considered building the site to make money fast, but the staff felt it was just too slimy a way to make money and we didn&#8217;t want to do it.</p>
<p>One guy one the team actually became addicted to one of the auction sites and lost his job because he failed to show up for three days in a row.</p>
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		<title>By: partgypsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>partgypsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for explaining it. I would never do qbids but I do think the person who monetized this has truly created a money making machine for themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for explaining it. I would never do qbids but I do think the person who monetized this has truly created a money making machine for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: david/money crashers</title>
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		<dc:creator>david/money crashers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 21:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for doing the experiment.

I can now cross that off my list of things to investigate...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for doing the experiment.</p>
<p>I can now cross that off my list of things to investigate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why would it cost $1.99 to ship a gift card?  Don&#039;t they just put it in an envelope and send it?  That made me curious enough to go over to the site and have a look at some of the other items - the shipping costs for those all seemed quite high as well.  Especially since you apparently can&#039;t combine shipping on multiple items to get a better deal.  (Even the items that don&#039;t need to be shipped at all, like bidding on packs of more bids, have a $2 &quot;transaction fee&quot; - what&#039;s up with that?)

It looks like this is how the site makes its money.  For each auction, one person wins (and gets the item at a discount) and all the others either buy it for &quot;retail&quot; plus an inflated shipping fee (which is really a net loss for the customer) or leave the bids they used on the table (also a net loss).

It&#039;s also worth emphasizing that Trent&#039;s 15&quot; free&quot; bids weren&#039;t free at all - he paid 60 cents each for them just like he paid for his initial bid pack, since the listed &quot;retail&quot; cost of a $25 gift card plus 10 bids is $31.  

They have it set up so that if you&#039;re only bidding on gift cards like these, you have to leave some bids unused one way or another: Either you lose the auction and leave your bids on the table, or you win or buy at &quot;retail,&quot; and get some more bids that will go to waste unless you keep bidding on more auctions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would it cost $1.99 to ship a gift card?  Don&#8217;t they just put it in an envelope and send it?  That made me curious enough to go over to the site and have a look at some of the other items &#8211; the shipping costs for those all seemed quite high as well.  Especially since you apparently can&#8217;t combine shipping on multiple items to get a better deal.  (Even the items that don&#8217;t need to be shipped at all, like bidding on packs of more bids, have a $2 &#8220;transaction fee&#8221; &#8211; what&#8217;s up with that?)</p>
<p>It looks like this is how the site makes its money.  For each auction, one person wins (and gets the item at a discount) and all the others either buy it for &#8220;retail&#8221; plus an inflated shipping fee (which is really a net loss for the customer) or leave the bids they used on the table (also a net loss).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth emphasizing that Trent&#8217;s 15&#8243; free&#8221; bids weren&#8217;t free at all &#8211; he paid 60 cents each for them just like he paid for his initial bid pack, since the listed &#8220;retail&#8221; cost of a $25 gift card plus 10 bids is $31.  </p>
<p>They have it set up so that if you&#8217;re only bidding on gift cards like these, you have to leave some bids unused one way or another: Either you lose the auction and leave your bids on the table, or you win or buy at &#8220;retail,&#8221; and get some more bids that will go to waste unless you keep bidding on more auctions.</p>
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		<title>By: Marsha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marsha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glad that you pointed out the total cost.  So many people don&#039;t take this into account, and retailers certainly never give you these numbers.

It&#039;s a similar thing that I see on the bottom of receipts:  &quot;You saved $20 today!&quot;  No, I didn&#039;t, because I wouldn&#039;t have bought it at the original price.  I really saved maybe $1 over buying it at the competitor&#039;s store.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad that you pointed out the total cost.  So many people don&#8217;t take this into account, and retailers certainly never give you these numbers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a similar thing that I see on the bottom of receipts:  &#8220;You saved $20 today!&#8221;  No, I didn&#8217;t, because I wouldn&#8217;t have bought it at the original price.  I really saved maybe $1 over buying it at the competitor&#8217;s store.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article came at the perfect time.  I had just signed up for Quibids and was debating buying a package of 80 bids for $48.  I couldn&#039;t decide, so I took a break to check my e-mail, and there was your article!  Thanks to you, I&#039;ve decided not to deal with the hassle and stress.  You saved me time and money and I&#039;m very grateful!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article came at the perfect time.  I had just signed up for Quibids and was debating buying a package of 80 bids for $48.  I couldn&#8217;t decide, so I took a break to check my e-mail, and there was your article!  Thanks to you, I&#8217;ve decided not to deal with the hassle and stress.  You saved me time and money and I&#8217;m very grateful!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 04:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having remarked in the original thread that I wondered how long it would take before someone used the Internet to make money out of the &quot;dollar auction&quot; first described in 1971, I confess to amazement at the extent to which the phenomenon is unknown even today.

But here is a thought: the best &quot;rational&quot; response if your class is ever involved in a dollar auction is to bid a cent for the dollar. Then, someone else should bid two cents and the auction should end. This involves something called &quot;superrationality&quot;, first described by Douglas Hofstadter and currently dismissed by Wikipedia as &quot;not a mainstream model within game theory&quot; (hinc, as the Romans used to say, illae lacrimae).

The dollar will be shared equally among all participants (and non-participants) in the auction, first making sure that your fellow bidder gets her two cents back and you get your one cent before dividing the remaining $0.97 into equal shares of... well, 97 is regrettably a prime number, so a fight will break out no matter how many of you there were in the first place.

Still, at least the auctioneer will be out $0.97 and you will have beaten the system, which is after all the whole point. Or is it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having remarked in the original thread that I wondered how long it would take before someone used the Internet to make money out of the &#8220;dollar auction&#8221; first described in 1971, I confess to amazement at the extent to which the phenomenon is unknown even today.</p>
<p>But here is a thought: the best &#8220;rational&#8221; response if your class is ever involved in a dollar auction is to bid a cent for the dollar. Then, someone else should bid two cents and the auction should end. This involves something called &#8220;superrationality&#8221;, first described by Douglas Hofstadter and currently dismissed by Wikipedia as &#8220;not a mainstream model within game theory&#8221; (hinc, as the Romans used to say, illae lacrimae).</p>
<p>The dollar will be shared equally among all participants (and non-participants) in the auction, first making sure that your fellow bidder gets her two cents back and you get your one cent before dividing the remaining $0.97 into equal shares of&#8230; well, 97 is regrettably a prime number, so a fight will break out no matter how many of you there were in the first place.</p>
<p>Still, at least the auctioneer will be out $0.97 and you will have beaten the system, which is after all the whole point. Or is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 03:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for doing this research for us!  I forwarded the message to my husband who was just asking if he could do this yesterday.  I told him no, but it&#039;s nice to have some backup!  =)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for doing this research for us!  I forwarded the message to my husband who was just asking if he could do this yesterday.  I told him no, but it&#8217;s nice to have some backup!  =)</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 00:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve seen ads for many &quot;penny auction&quot; web sites like this, and you don&#039;t really need to test it to show that you&#039;re likely to lose.  Take the case of the Kindle for $25.  At $.60 per bid, and 2500 bids to get to $25, people have paid $1500 for their bids, plus $25 for the final price, and only one person walks away with a Kindle.  It&#039;s just like gambling -- there will be a few lucky/smart people who profit, but the house always wins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen ads for many &#8220;penny auction&#8221; web sites like this, and you don&#8217;t really need to test it to show that you&#8217;re likely to lose.  Take the case of the Kindle for $25.  At $.60 per bid, and 2500 bids to get to $25, people have paid $1500 for their bids, plus $25 for the final price, and only one person walks away with a Kindle.  It&#8217;s just like gambling &#8212; there will be a few lucky/smart people who profit, but the house always wins.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 23:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Never heard of the site but thanks for the running the experiment. Definitely doesn&#039;t seem like a win for the customer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never heard of the site but thanks for the running the experiment. Definitely doesn&#8217;t seem like a win for the customer.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 22:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Psychology has quite a lot to say about this. They did a study at Harvard Business School with HBS students. The students bid on a $100 bill. The catch was that both the winning bid AND the second highest bid had to pay up. (Of course, the winner always pays-- but here, the bidder in second has to pay as well). You run into the sunk cost fallacy, and bids quickly get over $100, as it &quot;makes sense&quot; to bid over $100 if you currently the second highest bidder and going to be out your full bid, whereas the winner will only be out their bid minus the $100 they&#039;ll win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psychology has quite a lot to say about this. They did a study at Harvard Business School with HBS students. The students bid on a $100 bill. The catch was that both the winning bid AND the second highest bid had to pay up. (Of course, the winner always pays&#8211; but here, the bidder in second has to pay as well). You run into the sunk cost fallacy, and bids quickly get over $100, as it &#8220;makes sense&#8221; to bid over $100 if you currently the second highest bidder and going to be out your full bid, whereas the winner will only be out their bid minus the $100 they&#8217;ll win.</p>
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