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	<title>Comments on: Minimizing the Cost of Holiday Car Travel</title>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/11/22/minimizing-the-cost-of-holiday-car-travel/#comment-931681</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@kristine: I agree with everything you said.  And I&#039;ll add that grown-ups who&#039;ve been sexually assaulted in the past can find the pat-downs triggering as well.

If the new security measures actually made flying any safer, that would be one thing (although I&#039;d argue that they&#039;d still be unacceptable, since they&#039;re sacrificing one group&#039;s safety for the sake of another&#039;s).  But they don&#039;t.  If someone willing to give his life to terrorize air travelers actually managed to build a working bomb and get it as far as the airport, he could just detonate it in the airport itself, prior to the security checkpoint.  It would have the same effect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kristine: I agree with everything you said.  And I&#8217;ll add that grown-ups who&#8217;ve been sexually assaulted in the past can find the pat-downs triggering as well.</p>
<p>If the new security measures actually made flying any safer, that would be one thing (although I&#8217;d argue that they&#8217;d still be unacceptable, since they&#8217;re sacrificing one group&#8217;s safety for the sake of another&#8217;s).  But they don&#8217;t.  If someone willing to give his life to terrorize air travelers actually managed to build a working bomb and get it as far as the airport, he could just detonate it in the airport itself, prior to the security checkpoint.  It would have the same effect.</p>
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		<title>By: kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 19:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Johanna,

I also find the pat-downs no laughing matter. 

Doing this to a child of 13 (the age it starts) who is just entering puberty, could be downright traumatic. If a child has been sexually molested, (about 1 in 4 girls has been, and 1 in 10 boys), the incident could be a horrible public humiliation, and an additional scar, as they are not allowed to say NO. And the radiation is most dangerous to developing children. I would not allow a stranger to touch my child in that manner, for any reason whatsoever.

I do not fly much, but now I would prefer to drive across the continent than fly. I do not like my right to travel freely within my own country contingent upon relinquishing my right to refuse unlawful searches. I do not like the trend toward a police state. Those who would sacrifice freedom for security, deserve neither.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna,</p>
<p>I also find the pat-downs no laughing matter. </p>
<p>Doing this to a child of 13 (the age it starts) who is just entering puberty, could be downright traumatic. If a child has been sexually molested, (about 1 in 4 girls has been, and 1 in 10 boys), the incident could be a horrible public humiliation, and an additional scar, as they are not allowed to say NO. And the radiation is most dangerous to developing children. I would not allow a stranger to touch my child in that manner, for any reason whatsoever.</p>
<p>I do not fly much, but now I would prefer to drive across the continent than fly. I do not like my right to travel freely within my own country contingent upon relinquishing my right to refuse unlawful searches. I do not like the trend toward a police state. Those who would sacrifice freedom for security, deserve neither.</p>
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		<title>By: J.O.</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/11/22/minimizing-the-cost-of-holiday-car-travel/#comment-931565</link>
		<dc:creator>J.O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2010 03:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Johanna - You said:

&quot;I understood the joke. I just didn’t think it was funny. That’s a risk you run when you make jokes about sexual assault – some people don’t find that sort of thing amusing.&quot;

&quot;Not being amused&quot; is a risk you run when you read free content in the public domain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Johanna &#8211; You said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I understood the joke. I just didn’t think it was funny. That’s a risk you run when you make jokes about sexual assault – some people don’t find that sort of thing amusing.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Not being amused&#8221; is a risk you run when you read free content in the public domain.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@almost there: Using humor as a means of coping with a terrible situation that you yourself experienced is not the same thing at all as making fun of somebody else&#039;s experience.  And even if you&#039;re a sexual assault survivor yourself (I don&#039;t know if you are or not, and it&#039;s none of my business), your joke about your sister falls into the latter category.

Besides, if the message you were trying to convey with your &quot;joke&quot; was &quot;TSA enhanced patdowns are a terrible overreach and need to be stopped,&quot; that&#039;s not how it came across.  What comes across is, &quot;Hey, maybe TSA patdowns aren&#039;t so bad because women probably like being felt up by random guys, heh heh heh.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@almost there: Using humor as a means of coping with a terrible situation that you yourself experienced is not the same thing at all as making fun of somebody else&#8217;s experience.  And even if you&#8217;re a sexual assault survivor yourself (I don&#8217;t know if you are or not, and it&#8217;s none of my business), your joke about your sister falls into the latter category.</p>
<p>Besides, if the message you were trying to convey with your &#8220;joke&#8221; was &#8220;TSA enhanced patdowns are a terrible overreach and need to be stopped,&#8221; that&#8217;s not how it came across.  What comes across is, &#8220;Hey, maybe TSA patdowns aren&#8217;t so bad because women probably like being felt up by random guys, heh heh heh.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: almost there</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/11/22/minimizing-the-cost-of-holiday-car-travel/#comment-931501</link>
		<dc:creator>almost there</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Johanna, how does one combat the sexual assualt against our ever increasing police state except to stop flying? Doing anything other than that gets one arrested or fined and kicked off the flight. Sheeple that fly now know what is going to happen as this has not happened overnight. So they are complicit. Our country needs to rise up as one and say enough, but money talks when one holds it away from the airlines. Humor is often used to make light of terrible situations thereby provoking action to change things for the better. I remember thirty some years ago in Miami Beach listening to &quot;numbered&quot; survivors of the holocaust joke about their experiences as that made it easier to deliver to people who had not been with them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna, how does one combat the sexual assualt against our ever increasing police state except to stop flying? Doing anything other than that gets one arrested or fined and kicked off the flight. Sheeple that fly now know what is going to happen as this has not happened overnight. So they are complicit. Our country needs to rise up as one and say enough, but money talks when one holds it away from the airlines. Humor is often used to make light of terrible situations thereby provoking action to change things for the better. I remember thirty some years ago in Miami Beach listening to &#8220;numbered&#8221; survivors of the holocaust joke about their experiences as that made it easier to deliver to people who had not been with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@almost there: I understood the joke.  I just didn&#039;t think it was funny.  That&#039;s a risk you run when you make jokes about sexual assault - some people don&#039;t find that sort of thing amusing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@almost there: I understood the joke.  I just didn&#8217;t think it was funny.  That&#8217;s a risk you run when you make jokes about sexual assault &#8211; some people don&#8217;t find that sort of thing amusing.</p>
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		<title>By: almost there</title>
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		<dc:creator>almost there</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 06:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#30 Johanna, lighten up. It was a play on the typo nad warmers. As a retired submariner I am more concerned with the radiation dose rcv&#039;d. See my comments in last Sunday&#039;s WSJ Al Lewis article. I won&#039;t fly anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30 Johanna, lighten up. It was a play on the typo nad warmers. As a retired submariner I am more concerned with the radiation dose rcv&#8217;d. See my comments in last Sunday&#8217;s WSJ Al Lewis article. I won&#8217;t fly anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Evita</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/11/22/minimizing-the-cost-of-holiday-car-travel/#comment-931442</link>
		<dc:creator>Evita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good article!
Another nit-pick: it should be &quot;in the event of an accident&quot;, not &quot;in the result of an accident&quot;. No author being immune to typos and errors, Trent needs an editor... :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article!<br />
Another nit-pick: it should be &#8220;in the event of an accident&#8221;, not &#8220;in the result of an accident&#8221;. No author being immune to typos and errors, Trent needs an editor&#8230; :)</p>
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		<title>By: DOT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DOT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here in Florida I may need to pack the DH some nad coolers for the road trip south... great typo!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Florida I may need to pack the DH some nad coolers for the road trip south&#8230; great typo!</p>
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		<title>By: Mule Skinner</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/11/22/minimizing-the-cost-of-holiday-car-travel/#comment-931426</link>
		<dc:creator>Mule Skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you&#039;re going in a caravan (or convoy) you might consider a CB so you can chat with the other car(s). It might amuse the kids too, to talk with the other kids.

More radical would be to swap some kids around. One of mine switches places with one of yours so they have someone different to play with for a time.

Now combine the CB with switched kids: My kid in this car can talk with my kid in that car . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re going in a caravan (or convoy) you might consider a CB so you can chat with the other car(s). It might amuse the kids too, to talk with the other kids.</p>
<p>More radical would be to swap some kids around. One of mine switches places with one of yours so they have someone different to play with for a time.</p>
<p>Now combine the CB with switched kids: My kid in this car can talk with my kid in that car . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Interested Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/11/22/minimizing-the-cost-of-holiday-car-travel/#comment-931425</link>
		<dc:creator>Interested Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It took me a minute to figure out &quot;refueling station&quot; -can someone tell me if that&#039;s an Iowa thing?

I would suggest that Trent have someone re read what he writes before he posts it, but I don&#039;t think Trent really reads the comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me a minute to figure out &#8220;refueling station&#8221; -can someone tell me if that&#8217;s an Iowa thing?</p>
<p>I would suggest that Trent have someone re read what he writes before he posts it, but I don&#8217;t think Trent really reads the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#18, #29: What&#039;s so funny about sexual assault?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18, #29: What&#8217;s so funny about sexual assault?</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/11/22/minimizing-the-cost-of-holiday-car-travel/#comment-931419</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@#18 - I almost fell out of my chair laughing - thanks!!!!!!  That typo was priceless!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#18 &#8211; I almost fell out of my chair laughing &#8211; thanks!!!!!!  That typo was priceless!!</p>
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		<title>By: lisa Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny story. Years ago, some friends of ours had to make a long trip from NC to Indiana. We lent them our audiobook of the 3rd Harry Potter. When they actually reached their destination, they ended up driving around until they could finish it! Good audiobooks really help the time pass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny story. Years ago, some friends of ours had to make a long trip from NC to Indiana. We lent them our audiobook of the 3rd Harry Potter. When they actually reached their destination, they ended up driving around until they could finish it! Good audiobooks really help the time pass.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Learn the route you are going to take, and maybe an alternate in case of accidents. I cannot stress knowing how important it is to have a general idea of where you&#039;re going and how to get there.

And especially relevant now-a-days... DO NOT FOLLOW THE GPS BLINDLY!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Learn the route you are going to take, and maybe an alternate in case of accidents. I cannot stress knowing how important it is to have a general idea of where you&#8217;re going and how to get there.</p>
<p>And especially relevant now-a-days&#8230; DO NOT FOLLOW THE GPS BLINDLY!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Greg, Oh how I wish mine would sleep in the car, but they won&#039;t.  Actually one will, but he always wakes up after about 20 min and screams the rest of the way home! So we do best when we plan to be home before bed.

@ Michelle, in WI we have rest stops along the interstate that have a heated building with restrooms and vending machines.  Some also have indoor tables for meals.  Nothing fancy, but I bring a blanket for the floor or some cleaning wipes to clean off a table to have a meal on.  We also eat meals with no utensils, like string cheese, crackers, pre made sandwiches raisins pretzels, carrot sticks so clean up is minimal except for washing hands and maybe a few napkins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Greg, Oh how I wish mine would sleep in the car, but they won&#8217;t.  Actually one will, but he always wakes up after about 20 min and screams the rest of the way home! So we do best when we plan to be home before bed.</p>
<p>@ Michelle, in WI we have rest stops along the interstate that have a heated building with restrooms and vending machines.  Some also have indoor tables for meals.  Nothing fancy, but I bring a blanket for the floor or some cleaning wipes to clean off a table to have a meal on.  We also eat meals with no utensils, like string cheese, crackers, pre made sandwiches raisins pretzels, carrot sticks so clean up is minimal except for washing hands and maybe a few napkins.</p>
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		<title>By: valleycat1</title>
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		<dc:creator>valleycat1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#23 Michelle - I frequently see people bring outside food into fast food places, &amp; as long as someone in the party buys something (coffee or tea, maybe?) the staff doesn&#039;t seem to mind.

Snow picnicking would delight my husband (I, on the other hand, am not a snow person) - you&#039;d need something waterproof to sit on &amp; put your food on, warm clothes, &amp; a warm drink if not warm food (thermoses, if you can&#039;t find a roadside rest with fire pits/barbecues).  I&#039;m guessing the kids would find it a huge adventure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#23 Michelle &#8211; I frequently see people bring outside food into fast food places, &amp; as long as someone in the party buys something (coffee or tea, maybe?) the staff doesn&#8217;t seem to mind.</p>
<p>Snow picnicking would delight my husband (I, on the other hand, am not a snow person) &#8211; you&#8217;d need something waterproof to sit on &amp; put your food on, warm clothes, &amp; a warm drink if not warm food (thermoses, if you can&#8217;t find a roadside rest with fire pits/barbecues).  I&#8217;m guessing the kids would find it a huge adventure.</p>
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		<title>By: Callie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Callie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very useful post. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very useful post. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a question, how do you eat a picnic in the winter? We always pack food when we travel in the summer, and we stop at rest stops. How do you do that in the winter when there&#039;s snow on the ground? We really don&#039;t like to eat in the car (3 kids under 5, a BIG mess) and it&#039;s just kind of awkward to take your own food into a restaurant like McDonald&#039;s, where the kids can run around and play. Any suggestions? We have to drive about 10 hours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a question, how do you eat a picnic in the winter? We always pack food when we travel in the summer, and we stop at rest stops. How do you do that in the winter when there&#8217;s snow on the ground? We really don&#8217;t like to eat in the car (3 kids under 5, a BIG mess) and it&#8217;s just kind of awkward to take your own food into a restaurant like McDonald&#8217;s, where the kids can run around and play. Any suggestions? We have to drive about 10 hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Save money by bringing an extra car?


I guess I&#039;m just thankful I&#039;ve never had to take a long road trip with so many people that&#039;s even an option. 



I&#039;m also in the &quot;drink water, stop frequently enough&quot; camp.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Save money by bringing an extra car?</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m just thankful I&#8217;ve never had to take a long road trip with so many people that&#8217;s even an option. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also in the &#8220;drink water, stop frequently enough&#8221; camp.</p>
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