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	<title>Comments on: Out With The Old, In With The New: Get a Library Card</title>
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		<title>By: elderly librarian</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/12/15/out-with-the-old-in-with-the-new-get-a-library-card/#comment-933033</link>
		<dc:creator>elderly librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Observations:
There are all flavors of libraries and some are welcoming and some aren&#039;t. It depends on who&#039;s working there. I was always reminded by my trustees that maintaining a welcoming atmosphere and excellent service were of the highest importance. The homeless problem and the problem of people who make the public computers into a substitute for a home office are definitely more obvious in certain localities. 

The whole notion of what you can do in a public place has changed along with cultural norms and is obviously not exclusive to public libraries.

In a prior job, I had to supervise a computer area in a community college library where &quot;students&quot; were busy all day and into the evening surfing for porn, fantasy football,playing games, shopping online, looking for celebrity news, emailing, facebooking, twittering, sometimes while talking on cellphones, listening to music at the same time. These are all things you once might have done in the privacy of your own home, but not anymore. Oh yes, and a few actually did what could be called academic research for their classes! 

You pay for this with your taxes and with non-resident fees and there is no question that you have the right to avail yourselves of the services of any library that is subsidized by the public. And don&#039;t hesitate to do so, as Trent suggests in his article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observations:<br />
There are all flavors of libraries and some are welcoming and some aren&#8217;t. It depends on who&#8217;s working there. I was always reminded by my trustees that maintaining a welcoming atmosphere and excellent service were of the highest importance. The homeless problem and the problem of people who make the public computers into a substitute for a home office are definitely more obvious in certain localities. </p>
<p>The whole notion of what you can do in a public place has changed along with cultural norms and is obviously not exclusive to public libraries.</p>
<p>In a prior job, I had to supervise a computer area in a community college library where &#8220;students&#8221; were busy all day and into the evening surfing for porn, fantasy football,playing games, shopping online, looking for celebrity news, emailing, facebooking, twittering, sometimes while talking on cellphones, listening to music at the same time. These are all things you once might have done in the privacy of your own home, but not anymore. Oh yes, and a few actually did what could be called academic research for their classes! </p>
<p>You pay for this with your taxes and with non-resident fees and there is no question that you have the right to avail yourselves of the services of any library that is subsidized by the public. And don&#8217;t hesitate to do so, as Trent suggests in his article.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/12/15/out-with-the-old-in-with-the-new-get-a-library-card/#comment-933016</link>
		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For ten years, we lived in Lafayette, LA.  I want to say that they have a great library system.  The librarians were great.  They had librarians just for the children, and they knew the names of the regulars. They were very helpful, knowledgable, and made everyone feel welcome.  The libraries in town were well used. probably well above 20%.  There were new books in a wide range of topics.  It was quiet, but not silent.  Whole families were using the library.  Mom, Pop and the children.  We were there at least three times a week.  We now live in a town for the last four years where the library probably doesn&#039;t have 20% usage.  Most of the books, except for pulp fiction, are really old.  It is not a welcoming place.  Yes, it is quiet.  To quiet.  Shame on you or a child if you get above a whisper, except when checking out.  I have never seen more than 10 people in there at a time except for using the internet.  I now go to the library about once a month.  Sometimes I get disgusted because I can&#039;t find anything and don&#039;t go for two-three months.  Amazingly, I went to the library last week and found 15 books on the sell shelf that I had looked for in the library.  It seems that donated books only get sold.  There are plenty of empty chairs, altho, I have never seen a homeless person in our now local library.  Homeless people were welcome in the Lafayette Library, and they waited for the library to open of a morning. In Lafayette there were always enough chairs for everyone who used the library.  There was always something extra and interesting happening, as well as just checking out books, CD&#039;s and other items.  A good library really is a great treasure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For ten years, we lived in Lafayette, LA.  I want to say that they have a great library system.  The librarians were great.  They had librarians just for the children, and they knew the names of the regulars. They were very helpful, knowledgable, and made everyone feel welcome.  The libraries in town were well used. probably well above 20%.  There were new books in a wide range of topics.  It was quiet, but not silent.  Whole families were using the library.  Mom, Pop and the children.  We were there at least three times a week.  We now live in a town for the last four years where the library probably doesn&#8217;t have 20% usage.  Most of the books, except for pulp fiction, are really old.  It is not a welcoming place.  Yes, it is quiet.  To quiet.  Shame on you or a child if you get above a whisper, except when checking out.  I have never seen more than 10 people in there at a time except for using the internet.  I now go to the library about once a month.  Sometimes I get disgusted because I can&#8217;t find anything and don&#8217;t go for two-three months.  Amazingly, I went to the library last week and found 15 books on the sell shelf that I had looked for in the library.  It seems that donated books only get sold.  There are plenty of empty chairs, altho, I have never seen a homeless person in our now local library.  Homeless people were welcome in the Lafayette Library, and they waited for the library to open of a morning. In Lafayette there were always enough chairs for everyone who used the library.  There was always something extra and interesting happening, as well as just checking out books, CD&#8217;s and other items.  A good library really is a great treasure.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/12/15/out-with-the-old-in-with-the-new-get-a-library-card/#comment-933008</link>
		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a librarian and library trustee, I need to tell you that the homeless problem is not as easy as passing a new loitering policy.  As a publicly funded building, we cannot turn people away just for sitting there.  Also, many public libraries in my area (outside Chicago) are official warming centers and must allow people in to warm themselves during open hours when the temperature is below freezing.  We are also cooling centers in the summer.

However, we have tweaked our policies to say that if a person is bothering other patrons, he or she can be asked to leave.  We encourage any patrons who are uncomfortable to tell a staff member who will deal with the offending person.

I am often saddened by patrons who simply complain that the homeless person is using a chair.  They have a right to be in the building too.  If they are not bothering anyone, please don&#039;t complain.  Just because someone is homeless that does not mean they have lost their rights.

Thanks for highlighting how great the library is Trent.  I don&#039;t know why everyone doesn&#039;t take advantage of what we have to offer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a librarian and library trustee, I need to tell you that the homeless problem is not as easy as passing a new loitering policy.  As a publicly funded building, we cannot turn people away just for sitting there.  Also, many public libraries in my area (outside Chicago) are official warming centers and must allow people in to warm themselves during open hours when the temperature is below freezing.  We are also cooling centers in the summer.</p>
<p>However, we have tweaked our policies to say that if a person is bothering other patrons, he or she can be asked to leave.  We encourage any patrons who are uncomfortable to tell a staff member who will deal with the offending person.</p>
<p>I am often saddened by patrons who simply complain that the homeless person is using a chair.  They have a right to be in the building too.  If they are not bothering anyone, please don&#8217;t complain.  Just because someone is homeless that does not mean they have lost their rights.</p>
<p>Thanks for highlighting how great the library is Trent.  I don&#8217;t know why everyone doesn&#8217;t take advantage of what we have to offer.</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Wes noted, people don&#039;t have to be homeless to loiter. 

I&#039;ve personally never noticed such an issue- but if more people use the library, won&#039;t more seats be taken?



Please note that other posters are correct: the library is not free. You either pay via taxes or pay an annual fee. We also pay for some items such as dvds, audio books, and the like per week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Wes noted, people don&#8217;t have to be homeless to loiter. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve personally never noticed such an issue- but if more people use the library, won&#8217;t more seats be taken?</p>
<p>Please note that other posters are correct: the library is not free. You either pay via taxes or pay an annual fee. We also pay for some items such as dvds, audio books, and the like per week.</p>
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		<title>By: Interested Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interested Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The people I&#039;ve heard complain about the homeless at libraries aren&#039;t complaining abotu a lack of seats it&#039;s always been the thing - they dont&#039; want to be exposed (or their precious children) exposed to homeless people because homeless people are &quot;icky&quot;.

It&#039;s the same reason I&#039;ve seen people give for not using buses/wanting bus routes expanded. They don&#039;t want to be near &quot;those people&quot; or want &quot;those people&quot; in their neighborhoods. In this case it would be poor people and/or minorities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people I&#8217;ve heard complain about the homeless at libraries aren&#8217;t complaining abotu a lack of seats it&#8217;s always been the thing &#8211; they dont&#8217; want to be exposed (or their precious children) exposed to homeless people because homeless people are &#8220;icky&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same reason I&#8217;ve seen people give for not using buses/wanting bus routes expanded. They don&#8217;t want to be near &#8220;those people&#8221; or want &#8220;those people&#8221; in their neighborhoods. In this case it would be poor people and/or minorities.</p>
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		<title>By: deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our library is closing, cut out of our city budget by bad policy and a lack of funds. It is a VERY sad city I live in now. So many people worked long and hard to try to keep it open but we were overwhelmed by a group of Tea Party people who are trying to take over our city. Cherish your library, people! I never would have imagined that it could be gone one day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our library is closing, cut out of our city budget by bad policy and a lack of funds. It is a VERY sad city I live in now. So many people worked long and hard to try to keep it open but we were overwhelmed by a group of Tea Party people who are trying to take over our city. Cherish your library, people! I never would have imagined that it could be gone one day.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love the library.  More people should take advantage of their services!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the library.  More people should take advantage of their services!</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: #30 How sad to read about a completely automated library!  Unfortunately it may be something that will grow in popularity due to budget cuts and budget cuts and more budget cuts.  Too many people think that with all the technology that librarians are a thing of the past.  Simply untrue, especially in schools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #30 How sad to read about a completely automated library!  Unfortunately it may be something that will grow in popularity due to budget cuts and budget cuts and more budget cuts.  Too many people think that with all the technology that librarians are a thing of the past.  Simply untrue, especially in schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2010/12/15/out-with-the-old-in-with-the-new-get-a-library-card/#comment-932977</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I said &quot;Request that the library board change their policy about loitering at the library.&quot;  In no way, shape, or form does this mean I advocate throwing people out of the library. 

A good loitering policy means that if there are no chairs available, then sleepers or people just sitting there should be asked to move to make room for others.  Many libraries don&#039;t do this, and it can create a situation that&#039;s uncomfortable for other users if every chair is taken up by someone napping or just sitting there wasting the day away.  

Throwing people out of the library who are resting in one of several unused chairs is a bad loitering policy, as is allowing every chair to be taken up by a semi-permanent resident.

If you don&#039;t like the loitering policies at your library, get involved with your library.  In fact, get involved with your library anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said &#8220;Request that the library board change their policy about loitering at the library.&#8221;  In no way, shape, or form does this mean I advocate throwing people out of the library. </p>
<p>A good loitering policy means that if there are no chairs available, then sleepers or people just sitting there should be asked to move to make room for others.  Many libraries don&#8217;t do this, and it can create a situation that&#8217;s uncomfortable for other users if every chair is taken up by someone napping or just sitting there wasting the day away.  </p>
<p>Throwing people out of the library who are resting in one of several unused chairs is a bad loitering policy, as is allowing every chair to be taken up by a semi-permanent resident.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like the loitering policies at your library, get involved with your library.  In fact, get involved with your library anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: kristinelevy</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristinelevy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 04:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wes, I guess I am optimistic, and maybe if those kids spend enough time surrounded by books- they will eventually pick a good one up.

There is a library in AZ that has is now completely automated- no librarians, You &quot;order&quot; online, and then go pick up your books from what is akin to a PO box. I like librarians, and the research desk, and found this very sad. No serendipity, no accidental discovery, no advice, no human factor, no community gathering place, no events! Ba Humbug!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wes, I guess I am optimistic, and maybe if those kids spend enough time surrounded by books- they will eventually pick a good one up.</p>
<p>There is a library in AZ that has is now completely automated- no librarians, You &#8220;order&#8221; online, and then go pick up your books from what is akin to a PO box. I like librarians, and the research desk, and found this very sad. No serendipity, no accidental discovery, no advice, no human factor, no community gathering place, no events! Ba Humbug!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 03:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad &quot;getting involved&quot; means exactly what so many of you think it does.  Why should a very small minority of people adversely affect the library experience for so many?  If some of you feel bad about kicking homeless people out of the library, invite them home or to your office or job site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad &#8220;getting involved&#8221; means exactly what so many of you think it does.  Why should a very small minority of people adversely affect the library experience for so many?  If some of you feel bad about kicking homeless people out of the library, invite them home or to your office or job site.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 02:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lately I&#039;ve been enjoying my library&#039;s growing e-collection -- which includes e-books and downloadable audio books. You don&#039;t have to worry about returning them, they just stop working when your time is up. I bought an e-reader that&#039;s compatible with e-pub files for that reason.

I spend very little time in the library since the city started charging for parking. I browse online and head in with a shopping list.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lately I&#8217;ve been enjoying my library&#8217;s growing e-collection &#8212; which includes e-books and downloadable audio books. You don&#8217;t have to worry about returning them, they just stop working when your time is up. I bought an e-reader that&#8217;s compatible with e-pub files for that reason.</p>
<p>I spend very little time in the library since the city started charging for parking. I browse online and head in with a shopping list.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 02:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the sentiment that the local library is a great resource.  I use ours all the time and my kids love it also.  We even follow their facebook page to keep up on current happenings.

I do disagree with the broad assumptions about libraries that are stated in these posts; not all libraries are the same.  For instance, DVD rentals at my library are $2.50 for 4 days.  Considering that my library is 12 miles from my house, I&#039;m not sure that the $0.50 I&#039;d save vs. going to my local movie store (2 miles away) is a bargain.  I also find it frustrating that not everyone in my county can access our library for free; I can but my in-laws in the neighboring town have to pay a fee to use the same library.

Like everything else in life, read the details.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the sentiment that the local library is a great resource.  I use ours all the time and my kids love it also.  We even follow their facebook page to keep up on current happenings.</p>
<p>I do disagree with the broad assumptions about libraries that are stated in these posts; not all libraries are the same.  For instance, DVD rentals at my library are $2.50 for 4 days.  Considering that my library is 12 miles from my house, I&#8217;m not sure that the $0.50 I&#8217;d save vs. going to my local movie store (2 miles away) is a bargain.  I also find it frustrating that not everyone in my county can access our library for free; I can but my in-laws in the neighboring town have to pay a fee to use the same library.</p>
<p>Like everything else in life, read the details.</p>
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		<title>By: con</title>
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		<dc:creator>con</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Karina (#23). A library is PUBLIC. They have just as much of a right to be there as you if they are abiding by the rules. Just because they are homeless and maybe unkempt makes no difference. What a sad and disappointing remark you made. I would have thought you would have had more compassion but I see I thought wrong. Perhaps if no chairs are to be found because homeless people are getting warm by sitting in them (and not paying their library fees), you would be better served to just stay home where all is right. What happened to &quot;Do unto others...&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Karina (#23). A library is PUBLIC. They have just as much of a right to be there as you if they are abiding by the rules. Just because they are homeless and maybe unkempt makes no difference. What a sad and disappointing remark you made. I would have thought you would have had more compassion but I see I thought wrong. Perhaps if no chairs are to be found because homeless people are getting warm by sitting in them (and not paying their library fees), you would be better served to just stay home where all is right. What happened to &#8220;Do unto others&#8230;&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 00:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can you say the library is free when approximately $650 of my property taxes goes to supporting the library. Yes, there is no charge per visit on most items, but the library is certainly not free.

I am also appalled by the insensitive comments written regarding homeless people. As a human being, all people have the right to be warm, fed, and sheltered. It is never right to kick a person out of a public place is his or her behavior is not inappropriate - people should not be made to leave because you believe they are socially beneath you. Poverty sucks - even for the homeless person.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you say the library is free when approximately $650 of my property taxes goes to supporting the library. Yes, there is no charge per visit on most items, but the library is certainly not free.</p>
<p>I am also appalled by the insensitive comments written regarding homeless people. As a human being, all people have the right to be warm, fed, and sheltered. It is never right to kick a person out of a public place is his or her behavior is not inappropriate &#8211; people should not be made to leave because you believe they are socially beneath you. Poverty sucks &#8211; even for the homeless person.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Why are they all obligated to “get involved,” whether it be in kicking out the homeless people, helping secure a better place for the homeless people to go, or (as someone demanded in the other thread) organizing a media donation drive? &lt;/i&gt;

I didn&#039;t say anyone was obligated to get involved by helping secure a better place for the homeless; I just think it&#039;s a more productive thing to do than work to kick homeless people out, if one was inclined to do that.  Obviously, people can spend their time however they want.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why are they all obligated to “get involved,” whether it be in kicking out the homeless people, helping secure a better place for the homeless people to go, or (as someone demanded in the other thread) organizing a media donation drive? </i></p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say anyone was obligated to get involved by helping secure a better place for the homeless; I just think it&#8217;s a more productive thing to do than work to kick homeless people out, if one was inclined to do that.  Obviously, people can spend their time however they want.</p>
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		<title>By: Karina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like others, I was saddened to see your comments about getting involved to oust homeless people. I work at a bookstore, and homeless people sometimes come in to get warm when it&#039;s frigid outside (we&#039;re in the Midwest), and as long as they don&#039;t sleep there, they are welcome to browse. The public library is a PUBLIC resource, and as long as they aren&#039;t dealing drugs or sleeping, it&#039;s pretty elitist to suggest that they get kicked out. I&#039;m just as guilty of loitering as they are-I love to sit down and read magazines or books while there! 

I love your blog, but this sort of assumption you made about those less fortunate (as in, homeless or on the streets) is frustrating and saddening.

That being said-I&#039;m a member of a public library in a very small town, and it&#039;s wonderful. The town is small, and of the 3000 people here, I bet the 20% mark is accurate....only 600 people use it, and I pretty much never have to wait for a book!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like others, I was saddened to see your comments about getting involved to oust homeless people. I work at a bookstore, and homeless people sometimes come in to get warm when it&#8217;s frigid outside (we&#8217;re in the Midwest), and as long as they don&#8217;t sleep there, they are welcome to browse. The public library is a PUBLIC resource, and as long as they aren&#8217;t dealing drugs or sleeping, it&#8217;s pretty elitist to suggest that they get kicked out. I&#8217;m just as guilty of loitering as they are-I love to sit down and read magazines or books while there! </p>
<p>I love your blog, but this sort of assumption you made about those less fortunate (as in, homeless or on the streets) is frustrating and saddening.</p>
<p>That being said-I&#8217;m a member of a public library in a very small town, and it&#8217;s wonderful. The town is small, and of the 3000 people here, I bet the 20% mark is accurate&#8230;.only 600 people use it, and I pretty much never have to wait for a book!</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are a few contemporary books written as of late which discuss the library and its role in the community (baby sitter, shelter, toilet, etc.)  I am from Iowa and I can understand the sentiment here, as the small-town attitudes do run deep and back many years.  I now live in the Los Angeles area.  What I can recommend is that you start talking with some of those homeless people.  Many are hidden gems tarnished by wrong turns in life and bad luck and most have much richer and interesting backgrounds than I have!  I enjoy and appreicate what they have to share about their experiences.  The library is a wonderful resource and you can make befriend some new people through your regular trips there.  If you libraries are like the ones here in L.A. County they aren&#039;t reading rooms so much as gathering spots and while they are quiet they aren&#039;t the places where you are &quot;shushed&quot; if you are speaking with other people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few contemporary books written as of late which discuss the library and its role in the community (baby sitter, shelter, toilet, etc.)  I am from Iowa and I can understand the sentiment here, as the small-town attitudes do run deep and back many years.  I now live in the Los Angeles area.  What I can recommend is that you start talking with some of those homeless people.  Many are hidden gems tarnished by wrong turns in life and bad luck and most have much richer and interesting backgrounds than I have!  I enjoy and appreicate what they have to share about their experiences.  The library is a wonderful resource and you can make befriend some new people through your regular trips there.  If you libraries are like the ones here in L.A. County they aren&#8217;t reading rooms so much as gathering spots and while they are quiet they aren&#8217;t the places where you are &#8220;shushed&#8221; if you are speaking with other people.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair point, Kristine. I suppose it&#039;s good for them to have a &quot;safe haven&quot; of sorts, and they have just as much as a right to be there as I do.

I guess my frustration has more with the idea that a library should be a place of self-improvement and intellectual exploration rather than an adolescent day care. When I see kids in their position wasting such a great opportunity, it&#039;s a challenge not to lose all sympathy for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair point, Kristine. I suppose it&#8217;s good for them to have a &#8220;safe haven&#8221; of sorts, and they have just as much as a right to be there as I do.</p>
<p>I guess my frustration has more with the idea that a library should be a place of self-improvement and intellectual exploration rather than an adolescent day care. When I see kids in their position wasting such a great opportunity, it&#8217;s a challenge not to lose all sympathy for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If some people don&#039;t like to use the library, for whatever reason, can&#039;t they just...not use the library?  What&#039;s wrong with that?  Why are they all obligated to &quot;get involved,&quot; whether it be in kicking out the homeless people, helping secure a better place for the homeless people to go, or (as someone demanded in the other thread) organizing a media donation drive?  Why should they have to inconvenience themselves to make their lives more like yours?

Don&#039;t get me wrong - working on behalf of the public library system and/or the homeless are fine things to do.  But not everybody has to do them.  People have other priorities, and that&#039;s fine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If some people don&#8217;t like to use the library, for whatever reason, can&#8217;t they just&#8230;not use the library?  What&#8217;s wrong with that?  Why are they all obligated to &#8220;get involved,&#8221; whether it be in kicking out the homeless people, helping secure a better place for the homeless people to go, or (as someone demanded in the other thread) organizing a media donation drive?  Why should they have to inconvenience themselves to make their lives more like yours?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8211; working on behalf of the public library system and/or the homeless are fine things to do.  But not everybody has to do them.  People have other priorities, and that&#8217;s fine.</p>
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