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		<title>By: Steve in W MA</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/01/10/reader-mailbag-baby-steps-to-music/#comment-935196</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve in W MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 00:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ q7, &quot;so far, not to help pay off the student loans, but to give her an opportunity to recover by affording her totally free room, board, use of a car etc. We are doing this for her, and it is at marginal increased expense for us, but nevertheless, because of our age and her own future, think it should not and cannot be indefinite and long term. &quot;


Firstly, if your daughter she weren&#039;t there, I&#039;m guessing you wouldn&#039;t be renting the room out at your age. So there&#039;s no &quot;lost rent&quot; involved here. Instead, what you have is a case of just needing to establish an arrangement of economic equality between you three for contributing to the household upkeep. 

The marginal cost you refer to is the cost of gas and the intangible of the lack of use of the car while she is using it.

There is no reason whatsoever to be feeding her for free, unless she literally doesn&#039;t have $50 a week for groceries.  I suspect that this arrangement goes back more to a pattern of parental support (feeding the kids) than it does to her desire for a free ride.  It makes more sense to share the grocery expenses, so I&#039;d suggest having a family meeting about bills and splitting up those costs each month. Same thing with the house bills--have her cover one third of the utilities.
If she&#039;s financially able, I would suggest having her pay for one third of the monthly property tax in lieu of &quot;rent&quot;. That seems fair enough and puts her on an equal plane of responsibility with you two for the house upkeep. rather thatn in oesn&#039;t put her in, rather than the one-down position she is currently in by not being asked to contribute equally to those expenses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ q7, &#8220;so far, not to help pay off the student loans, but to give her an opportunity to recover by affording her totally free room, board, use of a car etc. We are doing this for her, and it is at marginal increased expense for us, but nevertheless, because of our age and her own future, think it should not and cannot be indefinite and long term. &#8221;</p>
<p>Firstly, if your daughter she weren&#8217;t there, I&#8217;m guessing you wouldn&#8217;t be renting the room out at your age. So there&#8217;s no &#8220;lost rent&#8221; involved here. Instead, what you have is a case of just needing to establish an arrangement of economic equality between you three for contributing to the household upkeep. </p>
<p>The marginal cost you refer to is the cost of gas and the intangible of the lack of use of the car while she is using it.</p>
<p>There is no reason whatsoever to be feeding her for free, unless she literally doesn&#8217;t have $50 a week for groceries.  I suspect that this arrangement goes back more to a pattern of parental support (feeding the kids) than it does to her desire for a free ride.  It makes more sense to share the grocery expenses, so I&#8217;d suggest having a family meeting about bills and splitting up those costs each month. Same thing with the house bills&#8211;have her cover one third of the utilities.<br />
If she&#8217;s financially able, I would suggest having her pay for one third of the monthly property tax in lieu of &#8220;rent&#8221;. That seems fair enough and puts her on an equal plane of responsibility with you two for the house upkeep. rather thatn in oesn&#8217;t put her in, rather than the one-down position she is currently in by not being asked to contribute equally to those expenses.</p>
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		<title>By: littlepitcher</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/01/10/reader-mailbag-baby-steps-to-music/#comment-935027</link>
		<dc:creator>littlepitcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Sarah--Have them offer the sofa to an upholsterer, or better yet, to an upholstery class at the local community college.  The same solutions can be applied, box by box, item by item.  Old books can be donated to prisons, newspapers to recyclers.  The bane of housekeepers, senior accumulations of plastic bowls, can be sorted by that little number on the bottom and sent off to the recycler, too, at least in urban areas.  The rest of us just have to smuggle them out the back door to the neighbor&#039;s garbage can while the hoarder&#039;s in the bathroom...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sarah&#8211;Have them offer the sofa to an upholsterer, or better yet, to an upholstery class at the local community college.  The same solutions can be applied, box by box, item by item.  Old books can be donated to prisons, newspapers to recyclers.  The bane of housekeepers, senior accumulations of plastic bowls, can be sorted by that little number on the bottom and sent off to the recycler, too, at least in urban areas.  The rest of us just have to smuggle them out the back door to the neighbor&#8217;s garbage can while the hoarder&#8217;s in the bathroom&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/01/10/reader-mailbag-baby-steps-to-music/#comment-934939</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 00:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sarah, I have a similar situation. My mom and her boyfriend live in a home that is just filled with junk. He blames it on her, she blames it on him. Once when my mom was very ill, I went and cleaned. In the process I cleared surfaces and found homes for things, like a kitchen drawer for a flashlight. when he saw I had moved things he became very agitated and upset, then started putting things back. I decided to just give up. I visit occasionally and as long as the kithcen and bath are clean, and I don&#039;t see any evidence of filfth anywhere I know my mom is okay. My plan is just this: if Mom goes first I will go through her things and take what I want, then let him deal with the rest. If he goes first I will try and get her to leave the home and find a better living situation. Not sure if I have any legal right to make decisions about what is actually in the home, furniture and the like. They did a reverse mortgage several years and I am not sure  what the bank has ownership of. If your parents really want to work at getting some things moved out of the home, I agree that a professional organizer would be best. there is just too much emotion among family members.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, I have a similar situation. My mom and her boyfriend live in a home that is just filled with junk. He blames it on her, she blames it on him. Once when my mom was very ill, I went and cleaned. In the process I cleared surfaces and found homes for things, like a kitchen drawer for a flashlight. when he saw I had moved things he became very agitated and upset, then started putting things back. I decided to just give up. I visit occasionally and as long as the kithcen and bath are clean, and I don&#8217;t see any evidence of filfth anywhere I know my mom is okay. My plan is just this: if Mom goes first I will go through her things and take what I want, then let him deal with the rest. If he goes first I will try and get her to leave the home and find a better living situation. Not sure if I have any legal right to make decisions about what is actually in the home, furniture and the like. They did a reverse mortgage several years and I am not sure  what the bank has ownership of. If your parents really want to work at getting some things moved out of the home, I agree that a professional organizer would be best. there is just too much emotion among family members.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/01/10/reader-mailbag-baby-steps-to-music/#comment-934930</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 00:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Q2 I didn&#039;t state the entire source of my pessimism, which should be re-stated as fear. I&#039;m now having scores of students that are graduating or have recently graduated from college expressing anxiety about their student loans because they are either unemployed or underemployed. Some have applied for hundreds of jobs, to no avail. They have all done the hard work and taken the loans. These highly trained young people went into college four and five years ago riding high on optimism because there was no recession in sight. The national unemployment rate is 9.3%. For our young people it is MUCH higher, and now because their parents are being squeezed, graduating high school students are left holding the college loan bag. I&#039;m the most positive teacher in our building, and always encourage every student. I don&#039;t express my fear out loud to high school students, though I encourage them to think things through.

Are there other readers out there that are recent college grads encountering this same experience?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Q2 I didn&#8217;t state the entire source of my pessimism, which should be re-stated as fear. I&#8217;m now having scores of students that are graduating or have recently graduated from college expressing anxiety about their student loans because they are either unemployed or underemployed. Some have applied for hundreds of jobs, to no avail. They have all done the hard work and taken the loans. These highly trained young people went into college four and five years ago riding high on optimism because there was no recession in sight. The national unemployment rate is 9.3%. For our young people it is MUCH higher, and now because their parents are being squeezed, graduating high school students are left holding the college loan bag. I&#8217;m the most positive teacher in our building, and always encourage every student. I don&#8217;t express my fear out loud to high school students, though I encourage them to think things through.</p>
<p>Are there other readers out there that are recent college grads encountering this same experience?</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/01/10/reader-mailbag-baby-steps-to-music/#comment-934883</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amanda said : &quot;If the poster has in fact worked 10 years at the current rate of income (based on the note that $225k retirement was 3 years gross) she’s going to get that max benefit!&quot;

No we can&#039;t assume they&#039;ll get max benefit.  Working 10 years will only qualify you to get social security benefits.   To maximize benefits you have to work 35 years at max contribution rates.

Your SS benefit is based on the average wages over 35 years so if you work fewer than 35 years you&#039;ll have lower wages on average.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda said : &#8220;If the poster has in fact worked 10 years at the current rate of income (based on the note that $225k retirement was 3 years gross) she’s going to get that max benefit!&#8221;</p>
<p>No we can&#8217;t assume they&#8217;ll get max benefit.  Working 10 years will only qualify you to get social security benefits.   To maximize benefits you have to work 35 years at max contribution rates.</p>
<p>Your SS benefit is based on the average wages over 35 years so if you work fewer than 35 years you&#8217;ll have lower wages on average.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Q1: The actual question doesn&#039;t mention an RV at all, just &#039;travelling&#039;.  Go for it! I have never met anyone who said they regretted travelling. Keep expenses low - one way to do that is to pick a cheap place to go to. Thailand and S.E. Asia (and the Trans-Siberian railway) come to mind, but there are plenty of other places too. As long as your health is up to it, no-one is &quot;too old&quot; to do it.  Put most of your savings somewhere earning as much interest as possible. Then put an amount (perhaps 1 year of current living costs) somewhere accessible, pack your bags and go. Travel for as long as you need or until the money runs out, but remember to buy a ticket home before it&#039;s all gone!  When you return, if you need to return to work, emphasize what you did. You&#039;ll be the envy of and maybe inspiration for many younger colleagues, I&#039;m sure! If nothing else, you&#039;ll definitely stand out from the crowd.

@Q8: My dad was a Depression child, and very much a hoarder, and I&#039;ve inherited some of those tendencies. I find disposing of things isn&#039;t that hard if I can convince myself it&#039;s being useful. But starting the process is extremely hard! My suggestion: you and your siblings choose one room/area, go through and put everything for disposal into a pile. Your parents check there&#039;s nothing they *really* want in there, and you take it away to somewhere appropriate. The reminiscing idea is a good one too!

@Q9: Can you organise your joint finances so he has his own &#039;fun&#039; money that you have no claim/say over?  My fiance sounds similar to yours, and earns much more than I do. I have x amount each month, he has 2x to spend. He gets to buy a new toy or game or gadget every so often, and I can still feel like we&#039;re saving something. Sometimes it&#039;s hard to bite my tongue, but he&#039;s always quick to remind me it&#039;s *his* fun money.

@Q7: As an non-American living outside US, I&#039;m *EXTREMELY* glad Trent doesn&#039;t talk about politics! And your Social Security does not affect me in the slightest, nor any other reader outside US. I reckon there&#039;s more of us than you&#039;d think!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Q1: The actual question doesn&#8217;t mention an RV at all, just &#8216;travelling&#8217;.  Go for it! I have never met anyone who said they regretted travelling. Keep expenses low &#8211; one way to do that is to pick a cheap place to go to. Thailand and S.E. Asia (and the Trans-Siberian railway) come to mind, but there are plenty of other places too. As long as your health is up to it, no-one is &#8220;too old&#8221; to do it.  Put most of your savings somewhere earning as much interest as possible. Then put an amount (perhaps 1 year of current living costs) somewhere accessible, pack your bags and go. Travel for as long as you need or until the money runs out, but remember to buy a ticket home before it&#8217;s all gone!  When you return, if you need to return to work, emphasize what you did. You&#8217;ll be the envy of and maybe inspiration for many younger colleagues, I&#8217;m sure! If nothing else, you&#8217;ll definitely stand out from the crowd.</p>
<p>@Q8: My dad was a Depression child, and very much a hoarder, and I&#8217;ve inherited some of those tendencies. I find disposing of things isn&#8217;t that hard if I can convince myself it&#8217;s being useful. But starting the process is extremely hard! My suggestion: you and your siblings choose one room/area, go through and put everything for disposal into a pile. Your parents check there&#8217;s nothing they *really* want in there, and you take it away to somewhere appropriate. The reminiscing idea is a good one too!</p>
<p>@Q9: Can you organise your joint finances so he has his own &#8216;fun&#8217; money that you have no claim/say over?  My fiance sounds similar to yours, and earns much more than I do. I have x amount each month, he has 2x to spend. He gets to buy a new toy or game or gadget every so often, and I can still feel like we&#8217;re saving something. Sometimes it&#8217;s hard to bite my tongue, but he&#8217;s always quick to remind me it&#8217;s *his* fun money.</p>
<p>@Q7: As an non-American living outside US, I&#8217;m *EXTREMELY* glad Trent doesn&#8217;t talk about politics! And your Social Security does not affect me in the slightest, nor any other reader outside US. I reckon there&#8217;s more of us than you&#8217;d think!</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Q8 for Sarah- if your parents are serious about downsizing, I wonder if they would be willing to get help from a professional organizer.  There are many who are trained to work with hoarders.  My dad is this way although my mom isn&#039;t quite as bad.  Interesting that I ended up being a professional organizer.  But I do understand how emotionally hard it is for some people to get rid of their stuff.  It is necessary though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q8 for Sarah- if your parents are serious about downsizing, I wonder if they would be willing to get help from a professional organizer.  There are many who are trained to work with hoarders.  My dad is this way although my mom isn&#8217;t quite as bad.  Interesting that I ended up being a professional organizer.  But I do understand how emotionally hard it is for some people to get rid of their stuff.  It is necessary though.</p>
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		<title>By: Telephus44</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/01/10/reader-mailbag-baby-steps-to-music/#comment-934837</link>
		<dc:creator>Telephus44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Q1 - I would absolutely go for it.  You also have equity in the houses to fall back on.  I&#039;m guessing also that your expenses whil RV&#039;ing won&#039;t be $80,000/year.  I find it somewhat amusing that question 2 is about frugality and pessimism, when clearly all the responses (including Trent&#039;s) response to Q1 are all pessimistic.

Q2 - Yes, your pessimism is coming through.  Not that it is entirely misplaced, but there&#039;s a big difference between cautioning someone against taking out $100,000 in loans to be a social worker, and telling every student you run across to put themselves through community college part time while working 3 jobs to avoid student loans.  I don&#039;t think you want to present student loans and college costs as the be all end of the experience, just provide a realistic viewpoint - that most history majors don&#039;t make $80K out of the gate, for example.  And I love the idea of pointing out that they need to multiple the cost of college times 4.  

Q9 - I think you need to cut him some slack.  You already said that he&#039;s &quot;cut back on most of the big spendings&quot; and now you&#039;re going after him for the small ones.  Give him some time to adjust.  My DH was the same way - and while he still spends more on Dunkin Donuts and computer games than I&#039;d like, he has curbed the big spending - he won&#039;t come home with a gaming system or something that big un-announced.

And the Starbucks gold card - I&#039;m sorry, I go there on average once a week, and I usually get just the regular coffee (maybe once a month I&#039;ll get a &quot;fancy&quot; drink - and I was upgraded to the gold card last year.  Just having the &quot;gold card&quot; doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s spending $20 a day there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q1 &#8211; I would absolutely go for it.  You also have equity in the houses to fall back on.  I&#8217;m guessing also that your expenses whil RV&#8217;ing won&#8217;t be $80,000/year.  I find it somewhat amusing that question 2 is about frugality and pessimism, when clearly all the responses (including Trent&#8217;s) response to Q1 are all pessimistic.</p>
<p>Q2 &#8211; Yes, your pessimism is coming through.  Not that it is entirely misplaced, but there&#8217;s a big difference between cautioning someone against taking out $100,000 in loans to be a social worker, and telling every student you run across to put themselves through community college part time while working 3 jobs to avoid student loans.  I don&#8217;t think you want to present student loans and college costs as the be all end of the experience, just provide a realistic viewpoint &#8211; that most history majors don&#8217;t make $80K out of the gate, for example.  And I love the idea of pointing out that they need to multiple the cost of college times 4.  </p>
<p>Q9 &#8211; I think you need to cut him some slack.  You already said that he&#8217;s &#8220;cut back on most of the big spendings&#8221; and now you&#8217;re going after him for the small ones.  Give him some time to adjust.  My DH was the same way &#8211; and while he still spends more on Dunkin Donuts and computer games than I&#8217;d like, he has curbed the big spending &#8211; he won&#8217;t come home with a gaming system or something that big un-announced.</p>
<p>And the Starbucks gold card &#8211; I&#8217;m sorry, I go there on average once a week, and I usually get just the regular coffee (maybe once a month I&#8217;ll get a &#8220;fancy&#8221; drink &#8211; and I was upgraded to the gold card last year.  Just having the &#8220;gold card&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s spending $20 a day there.</p>
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		<title>By: deRuiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>deRuiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Melinda,  let&#039;s see, you&#039;ve got an 80K a year job which at age 52 you&#039;re going to throw over to see the world.  After three years of seeing the world, you&#039;ve depleted your savings and you now expect to get a job at 55 with a three year gap in your resume, for something better than a greeter at Wal-Mart?  I don&#039;t think so.  How about taking some nice vacations without hemoraging $10,000. to buy a used RV.  Rent a new, clean, well functioning RV for your vacations, and return it to the dealer between trips.  Keep working, keep saving, andf you will have great vacations, and a fiscally sound retirement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Melinda,  let&#8217;s see, you&#8217;ve got an 80K a year job which at age 52 you&#8217;re going to throw over to see the world.  After three years of seeing the world, you&#8217;ve depleted your savings and you now expect to get a job at 55 with a three year gap in your resume, for something better than a greeter at Wal-Mart?  I don&#8217;t think so.  How about taking some nice vacations without hemoraging $10,000. to buy a used RV.  Rent a new, clean, well functioning RV for your vacations, and return it to the dealer between trips.  Keep working, keep saving, andf you will have great vacations, and a fiscally sound retirement.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 06:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Linda, whose boyfriend isn&#039;t a saver:
My DH was more of a spender than me.  One thing that helped is getting rid of advertising.  ie-no tv.  It&#039;s not just the $50-$100/month it&#039;s costing you.  The constant barrage of ipad and iphone ads is obviously a greater cost to you!

Like someone else commented.  Know yourself before committing to this person.  While a lot of commenters said they changed, gradually, years later...  realize that there is a potential THAT YOUR SO WILL NEVER CHANGE!  Don&#039;t be too optimistic and then find yourself stuck in a relationship that&#039;s frustrating to you.

The reason I say this?  If my DH did what some of my friends DH&#039;s do I couldn&#039;t married to them.  I&#039;m pretty controlling of the finances and my DH has willingly given up that control and agrees with the choices we make for our future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda, whose boyfriend isn&#8217;t a saver:<br />
My DH was more of a spender than me.  One thing that helped is getting rid of advertising.  ie-no tv.  It&#8217;s not just the $50-$100/month it&#8217;s costing you.  The constant barrage of ipad and iphone ads is obviously a greater cost to you!</p>
<p>Like someone else commented.  Know yourself before committing to this person.  While a lot of commenters said they changed, gradually, years later&#8230;  realize that there is a potential THAT YOUR SO WILL NEVER CHANGE!  Don&#8217;t be too optimistic and then find yourself stuck in a relationship that&#8217;s frustrating to you.</p>
<p>The reason I say this?  If my DH did what some of my friends DH&#8217;s do I couldn&#8217;t married to them.  I&#8217;m pretty controlling of the finances and my DH has willingly given up that control and agrees with the choices we make for our future.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 06:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@1 I don&#039;t know what your comment is referring to.  However, paying into social security currently provides disability insurance to the payer, their spouse and children, not to mention that they may receive some retirement benefits for themself and their spouse of 10 years.  Death benefit to spouse and children.  Small death benefit. No, the system is not perfect, but don&#039;t discount it&#039;s benefits when you look at only one aspect of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@1 I don&#8217;t know what your comment is referring to.  However, paying into social security currently provides disability insurance to the payer, their spouse and children, not to mention that they may receive some retirement benefits for themself and their spouse of 10 years.  Death benefit to spouse and children.  Small death benefit. No, the system is not perfect, but don&#8217;t discount it&#8217;s benefits when you look at only one aspect of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 05:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[QUESTION 1 (I haven&#039;t read the rest of the article or any of the comments.)  THE POSTER SAID A year or two!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In a tax update class we discussed the social security system.  Wage earners will get the best ratio of benefits for work done by working for 10 years at 70% of the max withholding amount (Currently over $106,000/yr). If the poster has in fact worked 10 years at the current rate of income (based on the note that $225k retirement was 3 years gross) she&#039;s going to get that max benefit!  Like she says, her industry is changing.  Instead of being forced out of the market why not take a year off!  Then, refreshed, she can come back to work for awhile.  Maybe even part time or 3/4 time!   She&#039;d have plenty left in her cash reserve fund and rental emergency fund if she spent a year away!  Not to mention that although she &quot;only&quot; has 225 k retirement the rentals may eventually net an income while she&#039;s living in the back house for free!!!  Or the market could come back and she can sell a home (remember, tax benefit only if you live in it the last 2/5 years!)  Of anyone, Melinda, you are in an excellent position to take a year off.  =)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QUESTION 1 (I haven&#8217;t read the rest of the article or any of the comments.)  THE POSTER SAID A year or two!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>In a tax update class we discussed the social security system.  Wage earners will get the best ratio of benefits for work done by working for 10 years at 70% of the max withholding amount (Currently over $106,000/yr). If the poster has in fact worked 10 years at the current rate of income (based on the note that $225k retirement was 3 years gross) she&#8217;s going to get that max benefit!  Like she says, her industry is changing.  Instead of being forced out of the market why not take a year off!  Then, refreshed, she can come back to work for awhile.  Maybe even part time or 3/4 time!   She&#8217;d have plenty left in her cash reserve fund and rental emergency fund if she spent a year away!  Not to mention that although she &#8220;only&#8221; has 225 k retirement the rentals may eventually net an income while she&#8217;s living in the back house for free!!!  Or the market could come back and she can sell a home (remember, tax benefit only if you live in it the last 2/5 years!)  Of anyone, Melinda, you are in an excellent position to take a year off.  =)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve in W MA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve in W MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 04:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Q1, I&#039;d consider working one more year at least and banking as much of your income as possible to pad your savings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Q1, I&#8217;d consider working one more year at least and banking as much of your income as possible to pad your savings.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve in W MA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve in W MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 04:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Q1, Considering Early(ish) retirement,

You may have enough to do it if you include the value of the two homes. You currently have $300K in cash or equities, and if you have $300K in equity in the two homes (and it could be realizable), that amounts to a sum of $600K. At 3% withdrawal per year, that should last a pretty long time. The question is, can you live on 18K per year? 

I think you can. With a motor home and only gas and food expenses and some entertainment expenses, why not?

There are issues of obtaining health care etc, as well as whether you can maintain your lifestyle permanently (what happens when you get significantly older?) but I think you are in striking range of what you want if you value it highly and are willing to live withoug lots of frills. 

I would recommend checking out EarlyRetirementExtreme.com.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Q1, Considering Early(ish) retirement,</p>
<p>You may have enough to do it if you include the value of the two homes. You currently have $300K in cash or equities, and if you have $300K in equity in the two homes (and it could be realizable), that amounts to a sum of $600K. At 3% withdrawal per year, that should last a pretty long time. The question is, can you live on 18K per year? </p>
<p>I think you can. With a motor home and only gas and food expenses and some entertainment expenses, why not?</p>
<p>There are issues of obtaining health care etc, as well as whether you can maintain your lifestyle permanently (what happens when you get significantly older?) but I think you are in striking range of what you want if you value it highly and are willing to live withoug lots of frills. </p>
<p>I would recommend checking out EarlyRetirementExtreme.com.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Q9:  It sounds like you and your fiance are a lot like my husband and I were seven years ago, when we were engaged.  Like you, we found that we verbalized the same or similar financial goals, but he tended to spend large chunks of money on electronics that he didn&#039;t need.  There were two things (as I see it) that helped us eventually get to be on more of the same page.  The first was simply time.  As we had our first child, as we got older and felt like it was time to buy a home, he started taking a more realistic view of how his daily choices were affecting our long term goals.  The second thing that helped was to draw charts or other visual representations showing actual numbers.  For example, when our daughter was born I went back to work only part-time at first and even though he verbalized understanding that we would need to &quot;cut back&quot; we weren&#039;t actually spending any less until I drew up a page with &quot;before&quot; and &quot;after&quot; columns.  Then he could see that where we had a certain amount of money &quot;extra&quot; each month previously, now we had almost exactly enough to break even.  Being able to see the numbers made a huge difference, where saying vague things like &quot;we aren&#039;t making as much and we need to cut back&quot; didn&#039;t make any difference at all.  So, time and concrete numbers/graphs were the two things that helped us.  (Time also worked the opposite way on me - I&#039;ve learned that it&#039;s okay to spend some money just on fun stuff that I want and don&#039;t need.  We&#039;ve actually helped to balance each other quite well over the years.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q9:  It sounds like you and your fiance are a lot like my husband and I were seven years ago, when we were engaged.  Like you, we found that we verbalized the same or similar financial goals, but he tended to spend large chunks of money on electronics that he didn&#8217;t need.  There were two things (as I see it) that helped us eventually get to be on more of the same page.  The first was simply time.  As we had our first child, as we got older and felt like it was time to buy a home, he started taking a more realistic view of how his daily choices were affecting our long term goals.  The second thing that helped was to draw charts or other visual representations showing actual numbers.  For example, when our daughter was born I went back to work only part-time at first and even though he verbalized understanding that we would need to &#8220;cut back&#8221; we weren&#8217;t actually spending any less until I drew up a page with &#8220;before&#8221; and &#8220;after&#8221; columns.  Then he could see that where we had a certain amount of money &#8220;extra&#8221; each month previously, now we had almost exactly enough to break even.  Being able to see the numbers made a huge difference, where saying vague things like &#8220;we aren&#8217;t making as much and we need to cut back&#8221; didn&#8217;t make any difference at all.  So, time and concrete numbers/graphs were the two things that helped us.  (Time also worked the opposite way on me &#8211; I&#8217;ve learned that it&#8217;s okay to spend some money just on fun stuff that I want and don&#8217;t need.  We&#8217;ve actually helped to balance each other quite well over the years.)</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[p.s. yes I know I&#039;m jumping to conclusions by thinking that Linda may be jumping to conclusions, but don&#039;t jump to any conclusions about that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. yes I know I&#8217;m jumping to conclusions by thinking that Linda may be jumping to conclusions, but don&#8217;t jump to any conclusions about that.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/01/10/reader-mailbag-baby-steps-to-music/#comment-934768</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Q9: Its hard to know from Linda&#039;s question what the real details are.   Honestly I am not sure if Linda even knows the details of her fiance&#039;s finances.   

She mentions he has a Starbucks gold card.   So?   That doesn&#039;t mean a lot.   You&#039;d assume he probably spends a fair amount on coffee but who knows how much.  Does he still use it regularly?  
If she said that he goes to Starbucks 2 times a day every day then that would mean something more specific.  But having a gold card in your wallet is an implication that he probably spends too much on coffee.   That kinda seems like Linda is putting together clues about his spending and jumping to conclusions rather than knowing concrete details of his spending.   Its not a unsafe conclusion that he spends &quot;a lot&quot; on coffee but for all we know he spends $300 a year on coffee and the 10% off via that card saved him $30.

Not to criticize Linda.   But if I&#039;m right I think its probably important that Linda and her fiance should  sit down and talk about finances in more detail.    What % of income do each of you save?   If he&#039;s saving 10-20% of his income then fine.   Thats pretty good.   If he saves nothing and actually has a giant credit card debt then thats not so good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q9: Its hard to know from Linda&#8217;s question what the real details are.   Honestly I am not sure if Linda even knows the details of her fiance&#8217;s finances.   </p>
<p>She mentions he has a Starbucks gold card.   So?   That doesn&#8217;t mean a lot.   You&#8217;d assume he probably spends a fair amount on coffee but who knows how much.  Does he still use it regularly?<br />
If she said that he goes to Starbucks 2 times a day every day then that would mean something more specific.  But having a gold card in your wallet is an implication that he probably spends too much on coffee.   That kinda seems like Linda is putting together clues about his spending and jumping to conclusions rather than knowing concrete details of his spending.   Its not a unsafe conclusion that he spends &#8220;a lot&#8221; on coffee but for all we know he spends $300 a year on coffee and the 10% off via that card saved him $30.</p>
<p>Not to criticize Linda.   But if I&#8217;m right I think its probably important that Linda and her fiance should  sit down and talk about finances in more detail.    What % of income do each of you save?   If he&#8217;s saving 10-20% of his income then fine.   Thats pretty good.   If he saves nothing and actually has a giant credit card debt then thats not so good.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Q8: if your parents are holding onto things that they think that you or your siblings (or their grandchildren) might want one day, then take that stuff now. Once the half-lost game or pretty box is in your possession and away from their property, it&#039;s yours to do with what you will, including pitch it in the dumpster if that&#039;s the most appropriate option. If they ask about it later, then you can truthfully say that you found a good home for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q8: if your parents are holding onto things that they think that you or your siblings (or their grandchildren) might want one day, then take that stuff now. Once the half-lost game or pretty box is in your possession and away from their property, it&#8217;s yours to do with what you will, including pitch it in the dumpster if that&#8217;s the most appropriate option. If they ask about it later, then you can truthfully say that you found a good home for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Linda: It may be helpful if you can show your fiance how overspending is affecting you. He probably cares a lot about your well-being, otherwise you guys wouldn&#039;t be together. So, you could start by identifying one area where you could both cut down together, such as dining out or vacations. I would guess that if he&#039;s dining out or vacationing a lot, you probably are doing some of this with him and spending more money than you&#039;d like too. What you might do is ask him to help YOU cut back, the idea being that if he&#039;s helping you be frugal, he&#039;ll probably start being frugal himself too. You could say, &quot;hey honey, I love going out to eat with you, but it&#039;s getting expensive for me. Do you think we could try to limit it to once a week/ X dollars a week? It would really help me.&quot; Then what really helps is if you have a money tracking software or bank account that you can show him that shows just how much all those vacations add up to. Talk about how often you&#039;re going out to eat, why you&#039;re dining out instead of eating in, what he feels is reasonable. Dining out, besides being a financial habit, is a health/eating habit too. As we all know, eating habits are very hard to change, so you really have to talk together about what&#039;s feasible and why. The point is not to make him feel like you want HIM to change, but how he can help YOU. If you guys talk together about this in terms of helping each other and not &quot;changing&quot; him, he might feel less attacked and like he&#039;s doing something good for you too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda: It may be helpful if you can show your fiance how overspending is affecting you. He probably cares a lot about your well-being, otherwise you guys wouldn&#8217;t be together. So, you could start by identifying one area where you could both cut down together, such as dining out or vacations. I would guess that if he&#8217;s dining out or vacationing a lot, you probably are doing some of this with him and spending more money than you&#8217;d like too. What you might do is ask him to help YOU cut back, the idea being that if he&#8217;s helping you be frugal, he&#8217;ll probably start being frugal himself too. You could say, &#8220;hey honey, I love going out to eat with you, but it&#8217;s getting expensive for me. Do you think we could try to limit it to once a week/ X dollars a week? It would really help me.&#8221; Then what really helps is if you have a money tracking software or bank account that you can show him that shows just how much all those vacations add up to. Talk about how often you&#8217;re going out to eat, why you&#8217;re dining out instead of eating in, what he feels is reasonable. Dining out, besides being a financial habit, is a health/eating habit too. As we all know, eating habits are very hard to change, so you really have to talk together about what&#8217;s feasible and why. The point is not to make him feel like you want HIM to change, but how he can help YOU. If you guys talk together about this in terms of helping each other and not &#8220;changing&#8221; him, he might feel less attacked and like he&#8217;s doing something good for you too.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Q9, Linda: I agree with jim that you both need to give a little and respect each other&#039;s priorities.  What I am reading in your letter is &quot;How do I get *him* to give up (more of) what *he* wants so that *I* can have what *I* want?&quot;  Maybe you think his Starbucks habit is wasteful and unnecessary - but there&#039;s probably something you do with money that he thinks is wasteful and unnecessary, too.  (Maybe - and this is just an example - he&#039;s not as interested in having a big, expensive wedding as you are.)

Drawing up a budget, as Trent suggests, may be a good idea.  If you do that, though, then once you agree to save a certain amount per month for the wedding, for buying a home, and for other goals, then that&#039;s it.  No more pestering him that you could be saving even more than the amount you agreed on, if only he&#039;d give up his frivolous (to you) spending on this, that, and the other thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q9, Linda: I agree with jim that you both need to give a little and respect each other&#8217;s priorities.  What I am reading in your letter is &#8220;How do I get *him* to give up (more of) what *he* wants so that *I* can have what *I* want?&#8221;  Maybe you think his Starbucks habit is wasteful and unnecessary &#8211; but there&#8217;s probably something you do with money that he thinks is wasteful and unnecessary, too.  (Maybe &#8211; and this is just an example &#8211; he&#8217;s not as interested in having a big, expensive wedding as you are.)</p>
<p>Drawing up a budget, as Trent suggests, may be a good idea.  If you do that, though, then once you agree to save a certain amount per month for the wedding, for buying a home, and for other goals, then that&#8217;s it.  No more pestering him that you could be saving even more than the amount you agreed on, if only he&#8217;d give up his frivolous (to you) spending on this, that, and the other thing.</p>
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