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		<title>By: ChrisD</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/02/13/review-getting-more/#comment-938797</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reminds me of the time some friends had a big engagement party where we all went to a pizza restaurant. In the end the bill was £1000 (50 people at £20 each). As we left I realised that when booking such a large group you should surely have gotten some kind of deal. Free soft drinks, or coffee or desserts. Seemed a pity to miss such an opportunity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of the time some friends had a big engagement party where we all went to a pizza restaurant. In the end the bill was £1000 (50 people at £20 each). As we left I realised that when booking such a large group you should surely have gotten some kind of deal. Free soft drinks, or coffee or desserts. Seemed a pity to miss such an opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: deRuiter</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/02/13/review-getting-more/#comment-938740</link>
		<dc:creator>deRuiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Negotiating can be FUN. It&#039;s interesting.  It improves your cash flow.  The other party can always say, &quot;No.&quot;  Good negotiating takes practice.  You can negotiate almost everywhere.  Yard sales and flea markets are good places to start, because most things there are negotiable.  I ALWAYS negotiate.  Paying a big bill quickly?  Ask if there&#039;s a percentage off for fast payment.  Ask if there&#039;s a discount for paying with cash instead of check or credit card.  Ask if the other party will throw in something to boot (an extra item or service.)  Make a pile of things you&#039;re interested in and ask for a better price. Smile, laugh, be cheerful, make jokes, make it a positive experience for both sides.   Buying a lot of anything?  NEGOTIATE!  Having a wedding?  Negotiate with florist, with caterer, with the hall, with the tux rental place.  People need to do business, so they will negotiate.  Anyone working for a company who says he doesn&#039;t negotiate with vendors is not optimizing his company&#039;s income.  Any seller who flatly refuses to negotiate loses a lot of business.  Even the IRS will negotiate with you if you go about it right.  THE ABSOLUTE WORST THAT CAN HAPPEN IS THAT THE OTHER PARTY SAYS &quot;NO.&quot;  Maybe you will be the one to say &quot;No.&quot;  You must be ready to walk away.  Trent, I think that you&#039;re not yet good at negotiating because you are embarassd to do it.  Relax, make it a fun experience for the other party and yourself.  After all, in this terribel economy, YOU ARE OFFERING THE OTHER PERSON BUSINESS or to take something they don&#039;t want in exchange for something they do want.  YOU ARE GOING TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEM.  You can negotiate relationships where no money changes hands, &quot;I will go to the fla market with you if you will stop at the designer resale shop afterwards and sit in the car reading your book while I shop.&quot;  Done deal!  Let your children set up their own table at your yard sales and let them sell on their own, so they learn one of life&#039;s most important skills early.  Let the children make their own mistakes selling, draw their own conclusions, and have non judgmental conversations about the sales afterwards.  It&#039;s not the child&#039;s fault if you bought that toy for $100. and he doesn&#039;t want it and sold it for $5.  The child wanted $5. more than he wanted the toy.   I&#039;ve successfully negotiated many sales in foreign countries without speaking the language, using a pad and pen.  I write my opening price, and hand it to the seller.  He crosses it off and writes his price, I then cross HIS price and we  are off on an amusing and often productive for both, haggle.  Successful in life people are able to negotiate in almost any situation. It&#039;s not always about the money!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Negotiating can be FUN. It&#8217;s interesting.  It improves your cash flow.  The other party can always say, &#8220;No.&#8221;  Good negotiating takes practice.  You can negotiate almost everywhere.  Yard sales and flea markets are good places to start, because most things there are negotiable.  I ALWAYS negotiate.  Paying a big bill quickly?  Ask if there&#8217;s a percentage off for fast payment.  Ask if there&#8217;s a discount for paying with cash instead of check or credit card.  Ask if the other party will throw in something to boot (an extra item or service.)  Make a pile of things you&#8217;re interested in and ask for a better price. Smile, laugh, be cheerful, make jokes, make it a positive experience for both sides.   Buying a lot of anything?  NEGOTIATE!  Having a wedding?  Negotiate with florist, with caterer, with the hall, with the tux rental place.  People need to do business, so they will negotiate.  Anyone working for a company who says he doesn&#8217;t negotiate with vendors is not optimizing his company&#8217;s income.  Any seller who flatly refuses to negotiate loses a lot of business.  Even the IRS will negotiate with you if you go about it right.  THE ABSOLUTE WORST THAT CAN HAPPEN IS THAT THE OTHER PARTY SAYS &#8220;NO.&#8221;  Maybe you will be the one to say &#8220;No.&#8221;  You must be ready to walk away.  Trent, I think that you&#8217;re not yet good at negotiating because you are embarassd to do it.  Relax, make it a fun experience for the other party and yourself.  After all, in this terribel economy, YOU ARE OFFERING THE OTHER PERSON BUSINESS or to take something they don&#8217;t want in exchange for something they do want.  YOU ARE GOING TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEM.  You can negotiate relationships where no money changes hands, &#8220;I will go to the fla market with you if you will stop at the designer resale shop afterwards and sit in the car reading your book while I shop.&#8221;  Done deal!  Let your children set up their own table at your yard sales and let them sell on their own, so they learn one of life&#8217;s most important skills early.  Let the children make their own mistakes selling, draw their own conclusions, and have non judgmental conversations about the sales afterwards.  It&#8217;s not the child&#8217;s fault if you bought that toy for $100. and he doesn&#8217;t want it and sold it for $5.  The child wanted $5. more than he wanted the toy.   I&#8217;ve successfully negotiated many sales in foreign countries without speaking the language, using a pad and pen.  I write my opening price, and hand it to the seller.  He crosses it off and writes his price, I then cross HIS price and we  are off on an amusing and often productive for both, haggle.  Successful in life people are able to negotiate in almost any situation. It&#8217;s not always about the money!</p>
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		<title>By: asparagusguy</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/02/13/review-getting-more/#comment-938719</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 00:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I will read this book.  Negotiating is such an important part of business and life.  Thanks for sharing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I will read this book.  Negotiating is such an important part of business and life.  Thanks for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeanette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AnnJo:
Terrific analysis and comments.

A lot of times the negotiation has next to nothing to do with what is actually being negotiated (Think family situations), but about the whole power and control trip.

In that case, being too honest is indeed a way to lose.

As for writing up the deal, one of the first rules of negotiation should be ONLY dealing with whoever has the final OK. (Learned this from the sales people I&#039;ve worked with over the years doing sales promotion work.)

Unfortunately, because of that whole power trip thing, so many people in biz won&#039;t even tell you that they are NOT the final person to OK the deal.

Of course, even when some salespeople think they are, they are undermined by a manager or boss.

We&#039;re in a service business and one of the first things we do is qualify who can really say &quot;YES.&quot; cause too much time is generally wasted on folks who have nothing to do with the final decision, other than preliminary vetting.

What we&#039;ve learned: Any company that turns over the vetting/negotiating process to amateurs and the lowest-ranking staffers isn&#039;t worth doing business with.

(Why do we say that? When you prepare a bid/proposal and the person doesn&#039;t even know what you&#039;re talking about, how can that person then make an intelligent decision on our suitability for the work? Answer: They can&#039;t. If the person(s) we would be working with are too busy to meet with us, well, then, that&#039;s not a good sign.)

The best negotiating tactic other than the basics noted: Always be prepared to walk away. Without regret.

When I first started working as an independent contractor, and had to deal with the one-on-one &quot;negotiating&quot; for the possible work, I always kept that option open in my mind--even if I knew that I really needed/wanted the work.

For the most part, it worked well because I did have some bargaining chips.

It&#039;s often hard to see what your real bargaining chips are because a lot of people are very hard to read when it comes to determining what really motivates them to close a deal. And what seems like what they want is often NOT the case.

Timing (and patience) is also critical. (On both sides) The more rushed you are, the more the other person is likely to draw things out or complicate them.

Sometimes negotiations fall apart for truly simple and stupid things you cannot prepare for or anticipate. 

And if you feel bad about not doing well with negotiating, remember: There are people in government whose sole job is to negotiate change, etc. who spend years, unsuccessfully, before any real breakthrough.

And finally, some things in life are NON-negotiable. Period.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AnnJo:<br />
Terrific analysis and comments.</p>
<p>A lot of times the negotiation has next to nothing to do with what is actually being negotiated (Think family situations), but about the whole power and control trip.</p>
<p>In that case, being too honest is indeed a way to lose.</p>
<p>As for writing up the deal, one of the first rules of negotiation should be ONLY dealing with whoever has the final OK. (Learned this from the sales people I&#8217;ve worked with over the years doing sales promotion work.)</p>
<p>Unfortunately, because of that whole power trip thing, so many people in biz won&#8217;t even tell you that they are NOT the final person to OK the deal.</p>
<p>Of course, even when some salespeople think they are, they are undermined by a manager or boss.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in a service business and one of the first things we do is qualify who can really say &#8220;YES.&#8221; cause too much time is generally wasted on folks who have nothing to do with the final decision, other than preliminary vetting.</p>
<p>What we&#8217;ve learned: Any company that turns over the vetting/negotiating process to amateurs and the lowest-ranking staffers isn&#8217;t worth doing business with.</p>
<p>(Why do we say that? When you prepare a bid/proposal and the person doesn&#8217;t even know what you&#8217;re talking about, how can that person then make an intelligent decision on our suitability for the work? Answer: They can&#8217;t. If the person(s) we would be working with are too busy to meet with us, well, then, that&#8217;s not a good sign.)</p>
<p>The best negotiating tactic other than the basics noted: Always be prepared to walk away. Without regret.</p>
<p>When I first started working as an independent contractor, and had to deal with the one-on-one &#8220;negotiating&#8221; for the possible work, I always kept that option open in my mind&#8211;even if I knew that I really needed/wanted the work.</p>
<p>For the most part, it worked well because I did have some bargaining chips.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s often hard to see what your real bargaining chips are because a lot of people are very hard to read when it comes to determining what really motivates them to close a deal. And what seems like what they want is often NOT the case.</p>
<p>Timing (and patience) is also critical. (On both sides) The more rushed you are, the more the other person is likely to draw things out or complicate them.</p>
<p>Sometimes negotiations fall apart for truly simple and stupid things you cannot prepare for or anticipate. </p>
<p>And if you feel bad about not doing well with negotiating, remember: There are people in government whose sole job is to negotiate change, etc. who spend years, unsuccessfully, before any real breakthrough.</p>
<p>And finally, some things in life are NON-negotiable. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnJo</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/02/13/review-getting-more/#comment-938703</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some people absolutely cannot conclude a negotiation unless they are visibly the &quot;winner&quot; and the other side is visibly the &quot;loser.&quot;  Ironically, these people are often the easiest to manipulate, because for them, the most important goal is an emotional prize that doesn&#039;t necessarily have to cost the other side anything of value.  It helps to go into a negotiation with at least a few &quot;bargaining chips&quot; that are specifically there to be given away, with much apparent angst.  That&#039;s also why it can be dangerous to be too honest and direct about what you want in a negotiation; if you&#039;re bargaining with someone who needs to be the &quot;winner&quot; you will have nothing you can give away without having it cost you dearly.

One thing not mentioned here is who writes up the deal.  I&#039;ve seen many victories attained in negotiations lost to the fine print or boilerplate of the paperwork.  If you&#039;re not going to be the one writing it up, you absolutely must know what will be in the paperwork before you conclude the deal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people absolutely cannot conclude a negotiation unless they are visibly the &#8220;winner&#8221; and the other side is visibly the &#8220;loser.&#8221;  Ironically, these people are often the easiest to manipulate, because for them, the most important goal is an emotional prize that doesn&#8217;t necessarily have to cost the other side anything of value.  It helps to go into a negotiation with at least a few &#8220;bargaining chips&#8221; that are specifically there to be given away, with much apparent angst.  That&#8217;s also why it can be dangerous to be too honest and direct about what you want in a negotiation; if you&#8217;re bargaining with someone who needs to be the &#8220;winner&#8221; you will have nothing you can give away without having it cost you dearly.</p>
<p>One thing not mentioned here is who writes up the deal.  I&#8217;ve seen many victories attained in negotiations lost to the fine print or boilerplate of the paperwork.  If you&#8217;re not going to be the one writing it up, you absolutely must know what will be in the paperwork before you conclude the deal.</p>
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		<title>By: kjc</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/02/13/review-getting-more/#comment-938702</link>
		<dc:creator>kjc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well...  I was a bit hasty in posting that comment.  The posts load quickly, but the ads in the sidebar are taking longer to load.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;  I was a bit hasty in posting that comment.  The posts load quickly, but the ads in the sidebar are taking longer to load.</p>
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		<title>By: kjc</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/02/13/review-getting-more/#comment-938700</link>
		<dc:creator>kjc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Raghu Bilhana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raghu Bilhana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trent

Your website has become very slow and pretty unresponsive since the past few days.

Could it be a coincidence that it happened the same time since you said you will be making some changes to your website.

I use Mozilla and it takes pretty long time to even load. There are lot of advertisements being loaded that is taking a lot of time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent</p>
<p>Your website has become very slow and pretty unresponsive since the past few days.</p>
<p>Could it be a coincidence that it happened the same time since you said you will be making some changes to your website.</p>
<p>I use Mozilla and it takes pretty long time to even load. There are lot of advertisements being loaded that is taking a lot of time.</p>
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