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		<title>By: Paula P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your presentation advice link didn&#039;t come through in the email I got. Can you post it again? Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your presentation advice link didn&#8217;t come through in the email I got. Can you post it again? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 14:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow.  

This is the most manipulative and ugly way I&#039;ve seen to try to get social media traffic YET.  Why can&#039;t you try to convince people to link a *positive* post?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  </p>
<p>This is the most manipulative and ugly way I&#8217;ve seen to try to get social media traffic YET.  Why can&#8217;t you try to convince people to link a *positive* post?</p>
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		<title>By: VickiB</title>
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		<dc:creator>VickiB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow - I&#039;m an Avon lady and I DON&#039;T push stuff on my friends.  I am also friends enough with my hairdresser to attend parties at her house AND refer business to her (she runs her own shop).  As I begin this year as a RE Agent (new career), she has told me to go right ahead and bring my business cards to her shop !  My husband&#039;s family has owned a successful business for 30 years - they have &quot;client/friends&quot; - my husband belongs to a bicycling club and rides with them all summer.  I do not have kids but, when able, ALWAYS say yes to buying gift wrap, raffle tickets, etc, to help a school.  All of this, for me, is just second nature &quot;business karma&quot;.   I have never felt pressured or pushed by any of these folks, and in turn, I do not push either.  To lump borrowing $ in - not even sure that&#039;s appropriate.  My FIL had to loan a small amount to DH&#039;s aunt &amp; uncle once - they are wonderful people, were ashamed to ask for help - point being we know them so well that there was no hesitation whatsoever.  Trent - if you were my neighbor and handed me biz cards, and that biz could help my customers, I&#039;d be glad to give you a reference !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; I&#8217;m an Avon lady and I DON&#8217;T push stuff on my friends.  I am also friends enough with my hairdresser to attend parties at her house AND refer business to her (she runs her own shop).  As I begin this year as a RE Agent (new career), she has told me to go right ahead and bring my business cards to her shop !  My husband&#8217;s family has owned a successful business for 30 years &#8211; they have &#8220;client/friends&#8221; &#8211; my husband belongs to a bicycling club and rides with them all summer.  I do not have kids but, when able, ALWAYS say yes to buying gift wrap, raffle tickets, etc, to help a school.  All of this, for me, is just second nature &#8220;business karma&#8221;.   I have never felt pressured or pushed by any of these folks, and in turn, I do not push either.  To lump borrowing $ in &#8211; not even sure that&#8217;s appropriate.  My FIL had to loan a small amount to DH&#8217;s aunt &amp; uncle once &#8211; they are wonderful people, were ashamed to ask for help &#8211; point being we know them so well that there was no hesitation whatsoever.  Trent &#8211; if you were my neighbor and handed me biz cards, and that biz could help my customers, I&#8217;d be glad to give you a reference !</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 07:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You never buy from friends. Think about that for a minute. You would rather give your money to someone u don&#039;t know and or care about than to support a friend or family member. Uh... Glad you aren&#039;t a friend or part of my family. What is wrong with people today. We are not corporations we are people. We belong to the same human race. People used to help eachother build their homes plow their fields care for their sick without question. If some one is holding your son for ransom does the money really matter. how much of a price tag do you people put on your family and friends. obviously not much, you care more about the cash than helping out the people you love. huh? I just don&#039;t uderstand it. Its a bunch of little pieces of paper. vs a real live human being. I don&#039;t disagree with saying no if you don&#039;t have it. But just saying don&#039;t even ask cause your putting a burden on me?? Sounds like greedy people trying to justify their selfishness. What about a Dr that won&#039;t treat a family member. I understand hospitals having rules trying to avoid conflicts of interests but for a DR to say go find someone else either he knows he&#039;s incompetent or he knows his family would sue him if anything happened. meaning he knows his family cares more about the cash than him. Not trusting to the fact that he would do everything he could to save a life. Imagine that in-law dr driving by the side of the road and finds a car accident. he sees a body on the ground blood streaming from it starts to go help and realizes it&#039;s his sister-in law. Does he stop and go &quot;alright!&quot; its a family member I don&#039;t treat them and gets in his car and drives away. He&#039;d get ripped for doing that. I can&#039;t think of any DR I&#039;ve ever met that would walk away from that scene. But if its just a stomach ache or cut they won&#039;t treat em. Doesn&#039;t make any sense to me. You either love your family or you don&#039;t. IF cash is more important then do you really love your family and friends? The ties that bind us had better be stronger than cash or we are all up the creek without a paddle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You never buy from friends. Think about that for a minute. You would rather give your money to someone u don&#8217;t know and or care about than to support a friend or family member. Uh&#8230; Glad you aren&#8217;t a friend or part of my family. What is wrong with people today. We are not corporations we are people. We belong to the same human race. People used to help eachother build their homes plow their fields care for their sick without question. If some one is holding your son for ransom does the money really matter. how much of a price tag do you people put on your family and friends. obviously not much, you care more about the cash than helping out the people you love. huh? I just don&#8217;t uderstand it. Its a bunch of little pieces of paper. vs a real live human being. I don&#8217;t disagree with saying no if you don&#8217;t have it. But just saying don&#8217;t even ask cause your putting a burden on me?? Sounds like greedy people trying to justify their selfishness. What about a Dr that won&#8217;t treat a family member. I understand hospitals having rules trying to avoid conflicts of interests but for a DR to say go find someone else either he knows he&#8217;s incompetent or he knows his family would sue him if anything happened. meaning he knows his family cares more about the cash than him. Not trusting to the fact that he would do everything he could to save a life. Imagine that in-law dr driving by the side of the road and finds a car accident. he sees a body on the ground blood streaming from it starts to go help and realizes it&#8217;s his sister-in law. Does he stop and go &#8220;alright!&#8221; its a family member I don&#8217;t treat them and gets in his car and drives away. He&#8217;d get ripped for doing that. I can&#8217;t think of any DR I&#8217;ve ever met that would walk away from that scene. But if its just a stomach ache or cut they won&#8217;t treat em. Doesn&#8217;t make any sense to me. You either love your family or you don&#8217;t. IF cash is more important then do you really love your family and friends? The ties that bind us had better be stronger than cash or we are all up the creek without a paddle.</p>
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		<title>By: Borealis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Borealis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 06:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Trent&#039;s article is about not entering into a true business relationship with friends, not just buying things from their kids.  

You can decide if you want to spend $100 a year buying stuff from friends and coworkers kids, but that is not the business relationship he is talking about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Trent&#8217;s article is about not entering into a true business relationship with friends, not just buying things from their kids.  </p>
<p>You can decide if you want to spend $100 a year buying stuff from friends and coworkers kids, but that is not the business relationship he is talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Skirnir Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skirnir Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 02:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To me, this post seems too strict.  For me, if a coworker is selling something for their son&#039;s school, I will look over the flyer and rarely buy anything.  As long as they don&#039;t pressure me, I feel no illwill over them asking.  But don&#039;t pressure me and if I tell you my son&#039;s school is selling xyz, please, please, do not fill obligated.  If it is junk you don&#039;t want/don&#039;t need, don&#039;t buy it.  I wouldn&#039;t buy it from you.  But if it is something you need/can use and the price is decent, go for it.  I would do the same.  

Do I loan money to a friend?  Only when it is for a good cause, and only if they don&#039;t already owe me money.  IE once I loan them money, and they don&#039;t pay me back, then I don&#039;t loan them anymore.  Do I hold a grudge that they haven&#039;t paid me back?  No.  At least, I try not to and rarely do.  Recently I bought someone something they could not afford to buy, but really needed, with the understanding that the beginning of April, he pays me back.  IF he does, great.  If he doesn&#039;t, then he is never getting a loan from me, until it is paid. In the past, he has tended to pay me back, slowly, but he has.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, this post seems too strict.  For me, if a coworker is selling something for their son&#8217;s school, I will look over the flyer and rarely buy anything.  As long as they don&#8217;t pressure me, I feel no illwill over them asking.  But don&#8217;t pressure me and if I tell you my son&#8217;s school is selling xyz, please, please, do not fill obligated.  If it is junk you don&#8217;t want/don&#8217;t need, don&#8217;t buy it.  I wouldn&#8217;t buy it from you.  But if it is something you need/can use and the price is decent, go for it.  I would do the same.  </p>
<p>Do I loan money to a friend?  Only when it is for a good cause, and only if they don&#8217;t already owe me money.  IE once I loan them money, and they don&#8217;t pay me back, then I don&#8217;t loan them anymore.  Do I hold a grudge that they haven&#8217;t paid me back?  No.  At least, I try not to and rarely do.  Recently I bought someone something they could not afford to buy, but really needed, with the understanding that the beginning of April, he pays me back.  IF he does, great.  If he doesn&#8217;t, then he is never getting a loan from me, until it is paid. In the past, he has tended to pay me back, slowly, but he has.</p>
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		<title>By: cj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 21:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to be your friend/brother/sister/parent, etc.
First - my now X borrowed ALL the time from his grandfather and parents - often w/out clearing it with me (we are talking grad school tuition, car payments, etc) and then felt obligated to do any favor they asked. Did it change our relationship to them? yep. Did it change my relationship to my X? yep (borrowing and putting obligations on me without my permission?). 
With family - give it as a gift or if you must, an early inheritance but never loans. The obligation or unspoken debt remains. 
Second, my brother-in-law - a pediatrician, would never treat family - if something goes wrong, family relations are affected and there are lots of good doctors out there he said. Wise words that work for doing biz with close ones.
Third, I am in Real Estate and recently a niece asked for help on pricing her home and prepping it. I gave it gladly. I will offer her my services at 50% discount but also offer her a referral to someone else AND help in doing FISBO is she wants. Tough call and while I need the come in this market, I don&#039;t want to be in a position of disappointing family either. Service oriented biz is different than a goods/real cost biz model for this. I would be happy to help an happier if she takes the referral option. 
Fourth, I never ever buy from those friends who have parties, etc. I just don&#039;t. Ever. Don&#039;t ask.
If the product is good, it will sell on its own and if I only buy coz you are selling? I will resent it. 
As for the comment of someone in suicidal mode -  I would hope any of us humans, friend or not, would assist someone in that position with dignity but that is not the same as a loan at all. Someone there is in a deeper crisis and needs far more than money - he needs to know he is not alone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to be your friend/brother/sister/parent, etc.<br />
First &#8211; my now X borrowed ALL the time from his grandfather and parents &#8211; often w/out clearing it with me (we are talking grad school tuition, car payments, etc) and then felt obligated to do any favor they asked. Did it change our relationship to them? yep. Did it change my relationship to my X? yep (borrowing and putting obligations on me without my permission?).<br />
With family &#8211; give it as a gift or if you must, an early inheritance but never loans. The obligation or unspoken debt remains.<br />
Second, my brother-in-law &#8211; a pediatrician, would never treat family &#8211; if something goes wrong, family relations are affected and there are lots of good doctors out there he said. Wise words that work for doing biz with close ones.<br />
Third, I am in Real Estate and recently a niece asked for help on pricing her home and prepping it. I gave it gladly. I will offer her my services at 50% discount but also offer her a referral to someone else AND help in doing FISBO is she wants. Tough call and while I need the come in this market, I don&#8217;t want to be in a position of disappointing family either. Service oriented biz is different than a goods/real cost biz model for this. I would be happy to help an happier if she takes the referral option.<br />
Fourth, I never ever buy from those friends who have parties, etc. I just don&#8217;t. Ever. Don&#8217;t ask.<br />
If the product is good, it will sell on its own and if I only buy coz you are selling? I will resent it.<br />
As for the comment of someone in suicidal mode &#8211;  I would hope any of us humans, friend or not, would assist someone in that position with dignity but that is not the same as a loan at all. Someone there is in a deeper crisis and needs far more than money &#8211; he needs to know he is not alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Earth MaMa Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earth MaMa Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 18:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I stepped into a virtual “cow pattie” last year when the coach’s wife of my daughter’s soccer team asked if she could put some of my business cards on display at her personal training studio. In return, I took some of her business cards and promised to hand them out to prospective clients I could refer in her direction.

First of all, the clients I have wouldn’t come to me about personal training, my business has nothing to do with that. And, no one would come looking for my services at her studio, but I did it basically just to get her to stop asking about it.

To try to make a really long story shorter, I quickly realized that she belongs to a network of people who strongly believe in the “tit for tat” way of life. Something I’m not used to doing, not the way they do it anyway. Let me just outline quickly how it all ended up working:

Coach’s wife hired me for an assignment that earned me $90. A few months later she approached me and said that even though I hadn’t said how much business she had generated for me, she felt that in return, I should sign up for a year’s worth of personal training from her – to the tune of $800.

An accountant client of hers said she wanted to hire me. Trying to pin this woman down for an appointment, just to meet, was nearly impossible. I later found out that the woman didn’t really want to do business with me unless I hired her FIRST to do my taxes for me (I do my own).

A lawyer client of hers hired me and I earned $90. But, somehow there were some ill feelings after the assignment because I hadn’t called the woman to draw up will papers at her office (she’s a probate lawyer). I was told that if I wanted to continue working for the lawyer, I had to let her “handle” my estate matters.

A judge’s wife client of hers hired me and I earned $20. Even though the woman had said she wanted to hire me on a regular basis to work with her, she hasn’t called me since. Why? Well, first of all, I was supposed to rent office space from her (one of her many ventures, but I don’t need office space), I was supposed to support her adult daughter’s business by going to get a “make over” at the price of $450 (to give me advice on how to improve myself, it’s a consultation thing). And, when she had paid me the measly $20, she invited me to lunch, and I had declined. I didn’t know I was supposed to go to lunch and immediately blow it on a lunch for a price I could feed my whole family for.

So, I managed to earn $200 from these referrals. But in reality, I was actually supposed to be spending a whole lot of money. I didn’t quite get that at first, but now I do.

If my suspicions are true, then this woman’s “successful” business is really an elaborate bartering system. She is a client of each of her client’s. They keep each other afloat by &quot;buying&quot; services from each other. It works, if what you give is equitable to what you get. In my case, I would have been out a lot of money to earn very little. I couldn’t possibly offer equivalent service for service trade with these people. I got out of the mess by stopping by her studio, with a homemade fruit basket (she didn’t know!) and retrieving the remaining business cards I had there. My current and new clients hire me for a job, they pay me, and I go on my merry way. It works well that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stepped into a virtual “cow pattie” last year when the coach’s wife of my daughter’s soccer team asked if she could put some of my business cards on display at her personal training studio. In return, I took some of her business cards and promised to hand them out to prospective clients I could refer in her direction.</p>
<p>First of all, the clients I have wouldn’t come to me about personal training, my business has nothing to do with that. And, no one would come looking for my services at her studio, but I did it basically just to get her to stop asking about it.</p>
<p>To try to make a really long story shorter, I quickly realized that she belongs to a network of people who strongly believe in the “tit for tat” way of life. Something I’m not used to doing, not the way they do it anyway. Let me just outline quickly how it all ended up working:</p>
<p>Coach’s wife hired me for an assignment that earned me $90. A few months later she approached me and said that even though I hadn’t said how much business she had generated for me, she felt that in return, I should sign up for a year’s worth of personal training from her – to the tune of $800.</p>
<p>An accountant client of hers said she wanted to hire me. Trying to pin this woman down for an appointment, just to meet, was nearly impossible. I later found out that the woman didn’t really want to do business with me unless I hired her FIRST to do my taxes for me (I do my own).</p>
<p>A lawyer client of hers hired me and I earned $90. But, somehow there were some ill feelings after the assignment because I hadn’t called the woman to draw up will papers at her office (she’s a probate lawyer). I was told that if I wanted to continue working for the lawyer, I had to let her “handle” my estate matters.</p>
<p>A judge’s wife client of hers hired me and I earned $20. Even though the woman had said she wanted to hire me on a regular basis to work with her, she hasn’t called me since. Why? Well, first of all, I was supposed to rent office space from her (one of her many ventures, but I don’t need office space), I was supposed to support her adult daughter’s business by going to get a “make over” at the price of $450 (to give me advice on how to improve myself, it’s a consultation thing). And, when she had paid me the measly $20, she invited me to lunch, and I had declined. I didn’t know I was supposed to go to lunch and immediately blow it on a lunch for a price I could feed my whole family for.</p>
<p>So, I managed to earn $200 from these referrals. But in reality, I was actually supposed to be spending a whole lot of money. I didn’t quite get that at first, but now I do.</p>
<p>If my suspicions are true, then this woman’s “successful” business is really an elaborate bartering system. She is a client of each of her client’s. They keep each other afloat by &#8220;buying&#8221; services from each other. It works, if what you give is equitable to what you get. In my case, I would have been out a lot of money to earn very little. I couldn’t possibly offer equivalent service for service trade with these people. I got out of the mess by stopping by her studio, with a homemade fruit basket (she didn’t know!) and retrieving the remaining business cards I had there. My current and new clients hire me for a job, they pay me, and I go on my merry way. It works well that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 17:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a great topic, and a very complex one.  I like all of the responses here.  I have had very good experiences trying out a friend&#039;s business, and very bad experiences. The problem is that no one can truly speak for another person&#039;s character.  

I recommended a good friend who was a contractor to another good friend who wanted to have some remodeling done on his house.  The contractor had done great work for me, so I introduced them.  Well, half way through my other friend&#039;s very complex remodeling job the contractor declared bankruptcy and my friend ended up losing $20,000 in the process.  The contractor friend lost his business.

I ended up losing both friends because there were just too many hard feelings all around to overcome.  I was mortified.  How I wish I hadn&#039;t put myself in the middle of that business transaction, even though it wasn&#039;t my fault and I made the recommendation in good faith.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great topic, and a very complex one.  I like all of the responses here.  I have had very good experiences trying out a friend&#8217;s business, and very bad experiences. The problem is that no one can truly speak for another person&#8217;s character.  </p>
<p>I recommended a good friend who was a contractor to another good friend who wanted to have some remodeling done on his house.  The contractor had done great work for me, so I introduced them.  Well, half way through my other friend&#8217;s very complex remodeling job the contractor declared bankruptcy and my friend ended up losing $20,000 in the process.  The contractor friend lost his business.</p>
<p>I ended up losing both friends because there were just too many hard feelings all around to overcome.  I was mortified.  How I wish I hadn&#8217;t put myself in the middle of that business transaction, even though it wasn&#8217;t my fault and I made the recommendation in good faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 15:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally, I would much rather loan money to someone whom I knew needed it knowing that I probably would never get the money returned than give the money to a charity (in order to get a tax deduction).  I do however consider the fact that it may turn out to be a gift.  That way, I never feel annoyed or angry if the money is not repaid.  In my extended family, we loan money to each other; sometimes it is paid back, sometimes it isn&#039;t.  We also help each other in many other ways.  I have a DIL who has been very active in avoiding our family (altho, we always invited her to each family gathering) we still all came together to help her when she was needing someone to stay with her in the hospital, take her places and etc.  Charity begins at home is our motto.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I would much rather loan money to someone whom I knew needed it knowing that I probably would never get the money returned than give the money to a charity (in order to get a tax deduction).  I do however consider the fact that it may turn out to be a gift.  That way, I never feel annoyed or angry if the money is not repaid.  In my extended family, we loan money to each other; sometimes it is paid back, sometimes it isn&#8217;t.  We also help each other in many other ways.  I have a DIL who has been very active in avoiding our family (altho, we always invited her to each family gathering) we still all came together to help her when she was needing someone to stay with her in the hospital, take her places and etc.  Charity begins at home is our motto.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Cohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Cohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 14:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most charitable organizations, such as Team in Training, Joints in Motion and Race for the Cure, actively encourage and even train their members to hit up friends and relatives for donations.  Just because it&#039;s for charity makes it no less intrusive and annoying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most charitable organizations, such as Team in Training, Joints in Motion and Race for the Cure, actively encourage and even train their members to hit up friends and relatives for donations.  Just because it&#8217;s for charity makes it no less intrusive and annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 13:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for articulating the bounds of these relationships.  I completely agree.  I think you can have a professional &#039;friendship&#039; based on trust and good service, but that&#039;s not the same as a regular friendship based on mutual interests or personal history.  Likewise, I feel very uncomfortable when friends use our relationship as a personal platform to sell to me.  Therefore, I like other readers do not &#039;sell&#039; to friends, and I keep my professional relationships clean from the personal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for articulating the bounds of these relationships.  I completely agree.  I think you can have a professional &#8216;friendship&#8217; based on trust and good service, but that&#8217;s not the same as a regular friendship based on mutual interests or personal history.  Likewise, I feel very uncomfortable when friends use our relationship as a personal platform to sell to me.  Therefore, I like other readers do not &#8216;sell&#8217; to friends, and I keep my professional relationships clean from the personal.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 12:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My office (9 men 1 woman) has a strict policy of no celebrations of any kind and no selling of anything and I love it!

My wife&#039;s work (7 women 1 man) celebrate everything and buy everything from each other, cookies, candles, sex toys and still have a great relationship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My office (9 men 1 woman) has a strict policy of no celebrations of any kind and no selling of anything and I love it!</p>
<p>My wife&#8217;s work (7 women 1 man) celebrate everything and buy everything from each other, cookies, candles, sex toys and still have a great relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 12:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone needs to conduct themselves however they&#039;re most comfortable. But virtually every friend I have is a craftsperson/small business owner, as am I, and we purchase from each other all the time. Maybe we manage to avoid all the drama Trent is concerned about because we&#039;re all in the same position, operating from the same perspective. None of my friends have ever been pushy with me to buy something, nor do I push my wares on them. We purchase from each other when we like or need something and we go to each other rather than buy mass-market, cheap commercial crap as an ethical and supportive choice. This has been going on for years without an issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone needs to conduct themselves however they&#8217;re most comfortable. But virtually every friend I have is a craftsperson/small business owner, as am I, and we purchase from each other all the time. Maybe we manage to avoid all the drama Trent is concerned about because we&#8217;re all in the same position, operating from the same perspective. None of my friends have ever been pushy with me to buy something, nor do I push my wares on them. We purchase from each other when we like or need something and we go to each other rather than buy mass-market, cheap commercial crap as an ethical and supportive choice. This has been going on for years without an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 07:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, that would be an incredibly hostile status update!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that would be an incredibly hostile status update!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/03/05/i-dont-want-to-be-your-client-i-dont-want-to-be-your-lender-i-want-to-be-your-friend/#comment-940813</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 07:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Define Friends. Trent you need more social interaction your getting grumpy. True friends understand the situation you are in. If my brother needs a hot water heater replaced and he needs my help do i give it? yep. Does it mean I expect him to help me rebuild my roof. No. It would be nice but I don&#039;t expect it. what is money? a note exchanged for effort what does it matter that it was &quot;earned at a job&quot; or replacing  his water heater its the same effort on my part just at different locations. You should never have &quot;bad feelings&quot; at saying no to something you don&#039;t want to do so what does it matter if people ask you to buy stuff or loan them money. If it&#039;s their reactions and actions that you are worried about then its on them. Your internalizing control over other people which doesn&#039;t exist. You&#039;ve got your &quot;no lending policy&quot; but what if it means the difference between life or death. A &quot;friend of yours&quot; kills himself cause he can&#039;t make his mortgage but you would have helped him had you known. Well he won&#039;t ask cause he knows your &quot;no lending policy&quot; You&#039;d rather have him dead than ask you for a loan.. really??? Overly dramatic but not being open to the world really diminishes the world as a whole. I know you&#039;ve worked really hard to get where you are Trent but come on. Everyone needs someone at somepoint and its the hand that helps that makes it a better world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Define Friends. Trent you need more social interaction your getting grumpy. True friends understand the situation you are in. If my brother needs a hot water heater replaced and he needs my help do i give it? yep. Does it mean I expect him to help me rebuild my roof. No. It would be nice but I don&#8217;t expect it. what is money? a note exchanged for effort what does it matter that it was &#8220;earned at a job&#8221; or replacing  his water heater its the same effort on my part just at different locations. You should never have &#8220;bad feelings&#8221; at saying no to something you don&#8217;t want to do so what does it matter if people ask you to buy stuff or loan them money. If it&#8217;s their reactions and actions that you are worried about then its on them. Your internalizing control over other people which doesn&#8217;t exist. You&#8217;ve got your &#8220;no lending policy&#8221; but what if it means the difference between life or death. A &#8220;friend of yours&#8221; kills himself cause he can&#8217;t make his mortgage but you would have helped him had you known. Well he won&#8217;t ask cause he knows your &#8220;no lending policy&#8221; You&#8217;d rather have him dead than ask you for a loan.. really??? Overly dramatic but not being open to the world really diminishes the world as a whole. I know you&#8217;ve worked really hard to get where you are Trent but come on. Everyone needs someone at somepoint and its the hand that helps that makes it a better world.</p>
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		<title>By: Anuj Joshi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anuj Joshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 06:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could never make sense of Shakespearean English :-), but the following quote from Hamlet, I always remember.It pretty much sums up what Trent has said above.

&quot;Neither a borrower nor a lender be,
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could never make sense of Shakespearean English :-), but the following quote from Hamlet, I always remember.It pretty much sums up what Trent has said above.</p>
<p>&#8220;Neither a borrower nor a lender be,<br />
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,<br />
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Janis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 03:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trent provides a solid rule of thumb, and I couldn&#039;t agree more with his advice about lending. However, one should always consider the circumstances regarding buying goods or services. Being able to respect boundaries is important, too. For instance, I&#039;ve become friends with the woman who owns the local yarn shop. I recognize that the shop is her livelihood and would never pressure her for a special deal when I buy yarn. Similarly, she is happy to sell me yarn (and patterns, notions, etc.), but would never pressure me into buying anything. Another friend&#039;s husband sells the same make of vehicle (new and used) that I&#039;m likely to buy when I&#039;m ready to replace my current car. I&#039;ll gladly speak with him when I&#039;m ready to start shopping.

Of course things can go wrong. My BIL &amp; SIL begged my husband to sell them his used all wheel drive car when he was ready to replace it over five years ago and they needed something more reliable than what they had at the time. They have not maintained the car well and now it&#039;s really starting to show its age. After more than five years, *now* they call us to complain about every maintenance issue, as though we sold them a lemon even though the car is 15 years old and had been trouble-free until recently....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent provides a solid rule of thumb, and I couldn&#8217;t agree more with his advice about lending. However, one should always consider the circumstances regarding buying goods or services. Being able to respect boundaries is important, too. For instance, I&#8217;ve become friends with the woman who owns the local yarn shop. I recognize that the shop is her livelihood and would never pressure her for a special deal when I buy yarn. Similarly, she is happy to sell me yarn (and patterns, notions, etc.), but would never pressure me into buying anything. Another friend&#8217;s husband sells the same make of vehicle (new and used) that I&#8217;m likely to buy when I&#8217;m ready to replace my current car. I&#8217;ll gladly speak with him when I&#8217;m ready to start shopping.</p>
<p>Of course things can go wrong. My BIL &amp; SIL begged my husband to sell them his used all wheel drive car when he was ready to replace it over five years ago and they needed something more reliable than what they had at the time. They have not maintained the car well and now it&#8217;s really starting to show its age. After more than five years, *now* they call us to complain about every maintenance issue, as though we sold them a lemon even though the car is 15 years old and had been trouble-free until recently&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: steven@hundredgoals.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>steven@hundredgoals.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 03:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe I missed the tone of this article but it sounds a little...mmmm, angry. Or cynical. Or, just, not people-friendly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I missed the tone of this article but it sounds a little&#8230;mmmm, angry. Or cynical. Or, just, not people-friendly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 00:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Twitter/Facebook suggestion is a little passive-aggressive, no? Are so many of your friends trying to pimp time-shares and Amway products to you, or hit you up for a casual loan? Or at least any for whom a personal conversation about your position would not be the most (only?!) appropriate response?

I have many friends who are in business; sometimes if they&#039;re selling the products I want, I&#039;ll buy from them, if they&#039;re not, I&#039;ll go elsewhere. It has quite honestly never been an issue. And if someone sucked up their dignity and came to me to ask for a loan, I would assume they were in a fairly desperate situation and would consider the request with the compassion it required. 

On the whole, I don&#039;t &#039;lend&#039;; I donate an amount that I am okay to never see again, and if they repay me, so much the better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter/Facebook suggestion is a little passive-aggressive, no? Are so many of your friends trying to pimp time-shares and Amway products to you, or hit you up for a casual loan? Or at least any for whom a personal conversation about your position would not be the most (only?!) appropriate response?</p>
<p>I have many friends who are in business; sometimes if they&#8217;re selling the products I want, I&#8217;ll buy from them, if they&#8217;re not, I&#8217;ll go elsewhere. It has quite honestly never been an issue. And if someone sucked up their dignity and came to me to ask for a loan, I would assume they were in a fairly desperate situation and would consider the request with the compassion it required. </p>
<p>On the whole, I don&#8217;t &#8216;lend&#8217;; I donate an amount that I am okay to never see again, and if they repay me, so much the better.</p>
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