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	<title>Comments on: Make the Goal the Process, Not the Results</title>
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		<title>By: Borealis</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/03/11/make-the-goal-the-process-not-the-results/#comment-941732</link>
		<dc:creator>Borealis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trent, I am surprised you fell into the fallacy that teachers are underpaid because they teach kids and that is important. 

Everyone who does a job that they love is overpaid.  It is the garbage collectors, sewer cleaners, and other unpleasant jobs that are underpaid.  

If teachers don&#039;t love teaching and feel they don&#039;t get enough money to make it worthwhile, they should definitely leave teaching.

Why do you &quot;value&quot; work by what someone pays for it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, I am surprised you fell into the fallacy that teachers are underpaid because they teach kids and that is important. </p>
<p>Everyone who does a job that they love is overpaid.  It is the garbage collectors, sewer cleaners, and other unpleasant jobs that are underpaid.  </p>
<p>If teachers don&#8217;t love teaching and feel they don&#8217;t get enough money to make it worthwhile, they should definitely leave teaching.</p>
<p>Why do you &#8220;value&#8221; work by what someone pays for it?</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/03/11/make-the-goal-the-process-not-the-results/#comment-941546</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like this post a lot.  I haven&#039;t been setting goals at all lately - my focus has been on reducing the clutter from our last move, which happened 2 years ago.  I would not put anything away til it had a permanent home and i wouldn&#039;t toss a box til i had gone through it.  Yes, I know/knew to declutter before packing, but (long story short) I didn&#039;t.

So I&#039;m nearly done eliminating that clutter and ready for a new, more pleasurable goal.   This post gives me a number of ways to think about that goal.  Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this post a lot.  I haven&#8217;t been setting goals at all lately &#8211; my focus has been on reducing the clutter from our last move, which happened 2 years ago.  I would not put anything away til it had a permanent home and i wouldn&#8217;t toss a box til i had gone through it.  Yes, I know/knew to declutter before packing, but (long story short) I didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m nearly done eliminating that clutter and ready for a new, more pleasurable goal.   This post gives me a number of ways to think about that goal.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: ejw</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2011/03/11/make-the-goal-the-process-not-the-results/#comment-941526</link>
		<dc:creator>ejw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Lauren and Tracy here.  Is there anyone who&#039;d rather change clothes and drag yourself to the gym or outside to exercise (particularly during this insanely snowy/cold winter we midwesterners have had)than curl up with a book?  And isn&#039;t mastering a piece of music just a series of small goals &quot;a process toward a further end?&quot;  Learning each phrase, or bar or movement (small goal that is a process)then being able to play the entire piece (or play it from memory) that is the &#039;further end&#039;?  And I have to assume that you can play the piano better than you did before and that you&#039;re in better physical shape than before...so did you actually &#039;fail&#039; at those goals?  Or is it just taking you longer to reach whatever you&#039;ve determined is where you want to be?  Being able to play a musical piece is far more tangible than the rather vague &#039;being fit.&#039; I guess looking at the situations differently is what you&#039;re saying in the last paragraph but...but destinations don&#039;t always sneak up on you, regardless of the small steps you&#039;ve taken and sometimes even stepping in the obvious direction leads you somewhere else entirely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Lauren and Tracy here.  Is there anyone who&#8217;d rather change clothes and drag yourself to the gym or outside to exercise (particularly during this insanely snowy/cold winter we midwesterners have had)than curl up with a book?  And isn&#8217;t mastering a piece of music just a series of small goals &#8220;a process toward a further end?&#8221;  Learning each phrase, or bar or movement (small goal that is a process)then being able to play the entire piece (or play it from memory) that is the &#8216;further end&#8217;?  And I have to assume that you can play the piano better than you did before and that you&#8217;re in better physical shape than before&#8230;so did you actually &#8216;fail&#8217; at those goals?  Or is it just taking you longer to reach whatever you&#8217;ve determined is where you want to be?  Being able to play a musical piece is far more tangible than the rather vague &#8216;being fit.&#8217; I guess looking at the situations differently is what you&#8217;re saying in the last paragraph but&#8230;but destinations don&#8217;t always sneak up on you, regardless of the small steps you&#8217;ve taken and sometimes even stepping in the obvious direction leads you somewhere else entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteCedar</title>
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		<dc:creator>WhiteCedar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trent, I really enjoy your sharing of your thinking on an issue like this.  I though this was a great post, though I came to a somewhat different conclusion.

Basically, I think you are swinging from one extreme to another, here.  The one goal that is working well isn&#039;t process oriented.  Don&#039;t try to fix the one thing that isn&#039;t broken. 

I take two things away from the success of your reading goal. 

The first is that it is concrete and measurable.  You can look at your book list and see every thing that is checked off; each book read is a real, tangible achievement.  Notice how that&#039;s different from saying, &quot;I read for an hour, today.&quot;  You can&#039;t check any title off your list, or point to a book on your shelf and recognize it as a friend.  It doesn&#039;t put you any closer to your target of 100 books.

The second thing is that your goal is incremental in nature.  Its a goal made up of discrete, attainable steps.  Each book is a milestone along your path to the goal.  

That&#039;s different from a process because the process lacks any flexibility to it.  If your goal is &quot;go to the gym every other day&quot;  what happens if you miss a day?  Has the whole endeavor failed? or succeeded less well?  A process goal also robs you of any motive to excel.  Just showing up is enough to meet your goal, no need to push yourself.

I think your repertoire goal is less satisfying to you because it isn&#039;t as incremental as 100 books.  Each piece is a really big goal, without any reinforcing milestones along the way.  You might divide your pieces up into smaller sections.  Scheherazade is in four movements, of course, but Clocks is also in four sections as well.  You should use whatever method is necessary to break your big, monolithic goals into something more incremental.

At the end of the year, you will be able to play your chosen pieces.  No amount of technical proficiency will give you the same level of satisfaction and motivation to continue playing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, I really enjoy your sharing of your thinking on an issue like this.  I though this was a great post, though I came to a somewhat different conclusion.</p>
<p>Basically, I think you are swinging from one extreme to another, here.  The one goal that is working well isn&#8217;t process oriented.  Don&#8217;t try to fix the one thing that isn&#8217;t broken. </p>
<p>I take two things away from the success of your reading goal. </p>
<p>The first is that it is concrete and measurable.  You can look at your book list and see every thing that is checked off; each book read is a real, tangible achievement.  Notice how that&#8217;s different from saying, &#8220;I read for an hour, today.&#8221;  You can&#8217;t check any title off your list, or point to a book on your shelf and recognize it as a friend.  It doesn&#8217;t put you any closer to your target of 100 books.</p>
<p>The second thing is that your goal is incremental in nature.  Its a goal made up of discrete, attainable steps.  Each book is a milestone along your path to the goal.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s different from a process because the process lacks any flexibility to it.  If your goal is &#8220;go to the gym every other day&#8221;  what happens if you miss a day?  Has the whole endeavor failed? or succeeded less well?  A process goal also robs you of any motive to excel.  Just showing up is enough to meet your goal, no need to push yourself.</p>
<p>I think your repertoire goal is less satisfying to you because it isn&#8217;t as incremental as 100 books.  Each piece is a really big goal, without any reinforcing milestones along the way.  You might divide your pieces up into smaller sections.  Scheherazade is in four movements, of course, but Clocks is also in four sections as well.  You should use whatever method is necessary to break your big, monolithic goals into something more incremental.</p>
<p>At the end of the year, you will be able to play your chosen pieces.  No amount of technical proficiency will give you the same level of satisfaction and motivation to continue playing.</p>
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		<title>By: Gal @ Equally Happy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gal @ Equally Happy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like having specific goals to work towards (get more fit) but I also add in subgoals such as &quot;do this many workouts&quot; to each.  One is the goal and the other is the plan.  In combination, they help me figure out what I want to do and how to get there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like having specific goals to work towards (get more fit) but I also add in subgoals such as &#8220;do this many workouts&#8221; to each.  One is the goal and the other is the plan.  In combination, they help me figure out what I want to do and how to get there.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan F-</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephan F-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 18:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes you can do more then one at a time. With audiobooks you can exercise or commute or even shop at the same time.
Obviously you can&#039;t practice piano and listen to an audiobook but that is fine.

I have read a large number of new books last year and now I am taking a break and reading some old favorites, like Dragonsong.

Goals are good but you should have an eject button. If a goal isn&#039;t working out, it is okay to give up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes you can do more then one at a time. With audiobooks you can exercise or commute or even shop at the same time.<br />
Obviously you can&#8217;t practice piano and listen to an audiobook but that is fine.</p>
<p>I have read a large number of new books last year and now I am taking a break and reading some old favorites, like Dragonsong.</p>
<p>Goals are good but you should have an eject button. If a goal isn&#8217;t working out, it is okay to give up.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s amazing how many goals-both short and long term-can be met if you just TURN OFF THE TV!! (good advice which I tend not to follow!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing how many goals-both short and long term-can be met if you just TURN OFF THE TV!! (good advice which I tend not to follow!)</p>
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		<title>By: valleycat1</title>
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		<dc:creator>valleycat1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like what Trent did with his goals, making them more specific from now on.  This is one post I&#039;m not understanding the criticism for.  Personal goals work best when they&#039;re formulated to suit the specific person rather than someone else&#039;s guidelines or their idea of what makes more sense.

And #1 Dave - I read at least several books a week without speed reading training.  Whenever I have any down time at all, my default response is to grab a book (soon, my Kindle!). Not tweeting or IM-ing or calling someone on the cell.  And in the evenings I read at least an hour daily, if not more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like what Trent did with his goals, making them more specific from now on.  This is one post I&#8217;m not understanding the criticism for.  Personal goals work best when they&#8217;re formulated to suit the specific person rather than someone else&#8217;s guidelines or their idea of what makes more sense.</p>
<p>And #1 Dave &#8211; I read at least several books a week without speed reading training.  Whenever I have any down time at all, my default response is to grab a book (soon, my Kindle!). Not tweeting or IM-ing or calling someone on the cell.  And in the evenings I read at least an hour daily, if not more.</p>
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		<title>By: lurker carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurker carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Goals also need to be realistically rated as to their relative importance to determine which ones can be temporarily set aside when life happens.  For instance, at what point does reading 100 books or playing music become more important than physical fitness?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goals also need to be realistically rated as to their relative importance to determine which ones can be temporarily set aside when life happens.  For instance, at what point does reading 100 books or playing music become more important than physical fitness?</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, looking back at your personal fitness, you also had concrete plans for when and how long you would exercise.  

The only one where you DIDN&#039;T say &#039;do x, y times a week for z length of time&#039; was the reading goal - the only one that&#039;s on track.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, looking back at your personal fitness, you also had concrete plans for when and how long you would exercise.  </p>
<p>The only one where you DIDN&#8217;T say &#8216;do x, y times a week for z length of time&#8217; was the reading goal &#8211; the only one that&#8217;s on track.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Lauren, because if your conclusion followed your premise, you wouldn&#039;t be on track with the &#039;read 100 books&#039; which is just as generic as the &#039;play 4 pieces of music&#039; - neither allocates specific time to each.

Also, as Interested Reader said, in your original posting on this, you had practice time built in - it just wasn&#039;t enough.

The real meat of this is about how it&#039;s important in goals to review them periodically, check your progress and determine if you need to change your process in order to attain the goal in the end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Lauren, because if your conclusion followed your premise, you wouldn&#8217;t be on track with the &#8216;read 100 books&#8217; which is just as generic as the &#8216;play 4 pieces of music&#8217; &#8211; neither allocates specific time to each.</p>
<p>Also, as Interested Reader said, in your original posting on this, you had practice time built in &#8211; it just wasn&#8217;t enough.</p>
<p>The real meat of this is about how it&#8217;s important in goals to review them periodically, check your progress and determine if you need to change your process in order to attain the goal in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: VickiB</title>
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		<dc:creator>VickiB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Todd - that silly acronym speak is one of the REASONS I&#039;m leaving my current company in a few weeks.  The idea is fine for an individual, but in the corporate world, the mindset is that the goals get set by people who don&#039;t actually do the work, resulting in more layers for the worker bees and more reports to complete for the managers.   Trent&#039;s thinking is more along the lines of Chris Gardener&#039;s story of being successful as a beginning broker - EACH DAY was his challenge of the number of calls he would make, which, when focused there, allowed him to attain his goal of success in the investment world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd &#8211; that silly acronym speak is one of the REASONS I&#8217;m leaving my current company in a few weeks.  The idea is fine for an individual, but in the corporate world, the mindset is that the goals get set by people who don&#8217;t actually do the work, resulting in more layers for the worker bees and more reports to complete for the managers.   Trent&#8217;s thinking is more along the lines of Chris Gardener&#8217;s story of being successful as a beginning broker &#8211; EACH DAY was his challenge of the number of calls he would make, which, when focused there, allowed him to attain his goal of success in the investment world.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like you&#039;re referring to the building blocks of goal setting that companies adhere to... S.M.A.R.T. goals: Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Realistic, Timely...  Really helps to focus the goal being set, and add some parameters to measure and achieve success.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you&#8217;re referring to the building blocks of goal setting that companies adhere to&#8230; S.M.A.R.T. goals: Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Realistic, Timely&#8230;  Really helps to focus the goal being set, and add some parameters to measure and achieve success.</p>
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		<title>By: Interested Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interested Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe you should have taken your own advice about making 1 resolution.

I can&#039;t directly link but it was on Dec 27 posted between resolution 2 and 3.

Also in your original resolutions for piano and exerices you were going to devote 1 hour a day to each.  Maybe you over reached and needed to scale down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you should have taken your own advice about making 1 resolution.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t directly link but it was on Dec 27 posted between resolution 2 and 3.</p>
<p>Also in your original resolutions for piano and exerices you were going to devote 1 hour a day to each.  Maybe you over reached and needed to scale down.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Couldn&#039;t it also be that you really enjoy reading (which seems to be the case), and so you find reading more pleasant than, say, exercising? 

Or that reading that be done pretty much anywhere or at any time, while exercises and piano playing have more specific requirements (i.e. I can imagine you reading if you were wide awake at 3 am, but probably not taking a walk outside in the dark, or playing the piano and waking everyone else up). 

I think you might be looking into this one too much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t it also be that you really enjoy reading (which seems to be the case), and so you find reading more pleasant than, say, exercising? </p>
<p>Or that reading that be done pretty much anywhere or at any time, while exercises and piano playing have more specific requirements (i.e. I can imagine you reading if you were wide awake at 3 am, but probably not taking a walk outside in the dark, or playing the piano and waking everyone else up). </p>
<p>I think you might be looking into this one too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Des</title>
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		<dc:creator>Des</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reminds me of a story I once read. Never made sense to me for a long time.

A young pup keeps chasing his tail around. An older dog comes up to him and says, &quot;Why are you chasing your tail?&quot;

The pup replies, &quot;Because I&#039;ve heard that there is happiness in my tail.&quot; The older dog responds, &quot;Wh y don&#039;t you just go about your business and happiness will follow you throughout the day.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of a story I once read. Never made sense to me for a long time.</p>
<p>A young pup keeps chasing his tail around. An older dog comes up to him and says, &#8220;Why are you chasing your tail?&#8221;</p>
<p>The pup replies, &#8220;Because I&#8217;ve heard that there is happiness in my tail.&#8221; The older dog responds, &#8220;Wh y don&#8217;t you just go about your business and happiness will follow you throughout the day.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trent have you ever taken a speed reading course/followed a program like evelyn wood?  I know you devote a lot of time to reading, but even so I&#039;m always surprised how many books you read, I feel like I read a lot but I rarely finish more than 2-3 books a month, usually less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent have you ever taken a speed reading course/followed a program like evelyn wood?  I know you devote a lot of time to reading, but even so I&#8217;m always surprised how many books you read, I feel like I read a lot but I rarely finish more than 2-3 books a month, usually less.</p>
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