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	<title>Comments on: Turn on the Oven Light While Cooking (21/365)</title>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2012/01/22/turn-on-the-oven-light-while-cooking-21365/#comment-979745</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ten seconds to leave the over door open seems to me an extraordinary length of time. Open the door, take the dish out, close the door... three seconds tops, I&#039;d have thought.

Of course, better still might be to trust your culinary skill and your high-quality pot to cook the food without your having to look at it until you put it on the table. Besides, what on Earth will looking at a casserole tell you? It will look the same as it did an hour ago, but at that time the ingredients were still almost raw. Believe the recipe, leave the oven light off (thus saving about $0.003 a century) and don&#039;t worry about whether it needs more salt. You live in America, so everyone will add more salt to their own portions anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ten seconds to leave the over door open seems to me an extraordinary length of time. Open the door, take the dish out, close the door&#8230; three seconds tops, I&#8217;d have thought.</p>
<p>Of course, better still might be to trust your culinary skill and your high-quality pot to cook the food without your having to look at it until you put it on the table. Besides, what on Earth will looking at a casserole tell you? It will look the same as it did an hour ago, but at that time the ingredients were still almost raw. Believe the recipe, leave the oven light off (thus saving about $0.003 a century) and don&#8217;t worry about whether it needs more salt. You live in America, so everyone will add more salt to their own portions anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Maya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 05:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like I came to the wrong party since I only preheat the oven for bread or baked desserts, and I&#039;ve successfully cooked brownies when I had to turn the oven off midway through because I had to leave the house. I figure: why bake nothing during that time unless I&#039;m baking something that requires specific temperatures for the chemical reactions to occur properly. For the same reason I don&#039;t preboil water for potatoes, vegetables, or pasta; I just stir a little more often until the water is hot. Why waste all that energy bringing the water to a boil first?

The Pyrex thing baffles me because I cannot see how there is more risk putting a cold dish into a cold oven and letting it all heat up together compared to putting a cold dish into a hot oven. The latter seems more risky to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like I came to the wrong party since I only preheat the oven for bread or baked desserts, and I&#8217;ve successfully cooked brownies when I had to turn the oven off midway through because I had to leave the house. I figure: why bake nothing during that time unless I&#8217;m baking something that requires specific temperatures for the chemical reactions to occur properly. For the same reason I don&#8217;t preboil water for potatoes, vegetables, or pasta; I just stir a little more often until the water is hot. Why waste all that energy bringing the water to a boil first?</p>
<p>The Pyrex thing baffles me because I cannot see how there is more risk putting a cold dish into a cold oven and letting it all heat up together compared to putting a cold dish into a hot oven. The latter seems more risky to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not really buying that using glass or ceramic is a more efficient use of heat than metal without further study.  While glass and ceramic hold onto heat better than metal, metal conducts the heat to the food inside faster.  

So it seems that food in a glass or ceramic dish would stay hotter longer once removed from a heat source, but food in a metal pan would cook faster than food in a ceramic pan if both pans are cold when put in the oven.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not really buying that using glass or ceramic is a more efficient use of heat than metal without further study.  While glass and ceramic hold onto heat better than metal, metal conducts the heat to the food inside faster.  </p>
<p>So it seems that food in a glass or ceramic dish would stay hotter longer once removed from a heat source, but food in a metal pan would cook faster than food in a ceramic pan if both pans are cold when put in the oven.</p>
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		<title>By: valleycat1</title>
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		<dc:creator>valleycat1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Taking Trent&#039;s $.02 cents per open door to its  conclusion:  assume you use the oven once every day of the year and open the preheated oven&#039;s door once to put food in and once to check before it&#039;s actually done.  4 cents x 365 days comes out to $14.60.  For a year.  My savings would be half that because I rarely check midway through, and even less because we don&#039;t use the oven every single day. So my savings would be less than $10 for the year. I&#039;m willing to have that portion of a work hour go toward escaping heat.  The savings is probably even less if you&#039;ve got a gas oven.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking Trent&#8217;s $.02 cents per open door to its  conclusion:  assume you use the oven once every day of the year and open the preheated oven&#8217;s door once to put food in and once to check before it&#8217;s actually done.  4 cents x 365 days comes out to $14.60.  For a year.  My savings would be half that because I rarely check midway through, and even less because we don&#8217;t use the oven every single day. So my savings would be less than $10 for the year. I&#8217;m willing to have that portion of a work hour go toward escaping heat.  The savings is probably even less if you&#8217;ve got a gas oven.</p>
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		<title>By: Evita</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2012/01/22/turn-on-the-oven-light-while-cooking-21365/#comment-979660</link>
		<dc:creator>Evita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Advice getting more bizarre by the day! Thank heavens for the comments !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advice getting more bizarre by the day! Thank heavens for the comments !</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pyrex specifically says you have to preheat if you&#039;re going to put one of their glassware dishes in the oven. Failure to do so has apparently been linked with the exploding Pyrex problem, which is going to cost you a lot more than $0.02 in labor costs to clean up if it happens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pyrex specifically says you have to preheat if you&#8217;re going to put one of their glassware dishes in the oven. Failure to do so has apparently been linked with the exploding Pyrex problem, which is going to cost you a lot more than $0.02 in labor costs to clean up if it happens.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those inclined to disbelieve the advice not to preheat ovens (which I hope includes all of you), take care not merely to preheat them until the indicator light goes out or your oven thermometer first shows the desired temperature. This means that the air inside the oven is at the desired temperature, but you should leave the oven for an additional ten minutes or so in order that the heat spreads evenly throughout the metal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those inclined to disbelieve the advice not to preheat ovens (which I hope includes all of you), take care not merely to preheat them until the indicator light goes out or your oven thermometer first shows the desired temperature. This means that the air inside the oven is at the desired temperature, but you should leave the oven for an additional ten minutes or so in order that the heat spreads evenly throughout the metal.</p>
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		<title>By: SwingCheese</title>
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		<dc:creator>SwingCheese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Michelle: I know that the heat escapes into the kitchen with the door open or closed, but when I crack open the oven door, I can feel it more readily, and since I&#039;m frequently cold, I enjoy it that way. But yes, the heat dissipates into the kitchen either way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michelle: I know that the heat escapes into the kitchen with the door open or closed, but when I crack open the oven door, I can feel it more readily, and since I&#8217;m frequently cold, I enjoy it that way. But yes, the heat dissipates into the kitchen either way.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pointless and counterproductive frugality uber alles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pointless and counterproductive frugality uber alles.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gretchen, ditto. This series is going to get very old by June, let alone December...especially if every tip is about saving a few pennies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gretchen, ditto. This series is going to get very old by June, let alone December&#8230;especially if every tip is about saving a few pennies.</p>
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		<title>By: Riki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, I recognize that I&#039;m at a place in my life where I worry more about how I spend my time than anything else and convenience is definitely worth a price to me.  I&#039;m not worried about paying down debt as I don&#039;t have any so I really don&#039;t watch every single penny.

That said, I feel like this series has focused on saving pennies in very, very small increments (sometimes very hard-to-measure increments) in exchange for constantly having to think about things.  It might work for some people but at this point I&#039;m finding it a little bit repetitive.  A little math tells me that saving a couple of cents a few times a day only adds up to about $36 at the end of the year.  Doesn&#039;t seem worth it to me.  

Trent, you seem to be working through one category at a time (currently cooking).  Perhaps it might be more interesting if you mixed things up a little bit?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I recognize that I&#8217;m at a place in my life where I worry more about how I spend my time than anything else and convenience is definitely worth a price to me.  I&#8217;m not worried about paying down debt as I don&#8217;t have any so I really don&#8217;t watch every single penny.</p>
<p>That said, I feel like this series has focused on saving pennies in very, very small increments (sometimes very hard-to-measure increments) in exchange for constantly having to think about things.  It might work for some people but at this point I&#8217;m finding it a little bit repetitive.  A little math tells me that saving a couple of cents a few times a day only adds up to about $36 at the end of the year.  Doesn&#8217;t seem worth it to me.  </p>
<p>Trent, you seem to be working through one category at a time (currently cooking).  Perhaps it might be more interesting if you mixed things up a little bit?</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m starting to really hate this series. 


Random pizza baking tip: put the broiler on first to get the oven as hot as possible before you start to bake. 
I haven&#039;t personally tried this, but it&#039;s from serious eats dot com, a site whose tips I trust.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m starting to really hate this series. </p>
<p>Random pizza baking tip: put the broiler on first to get the oven as hot as possible before you start to bake.<br />
I haven&#8217;t personally tried this, but it&#8217;s from serious eats dot com, a site whose tips I trust.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To those who crack open the oven door when finished using it to let the heat out...where do you think the heat goes if you don&#039;t open the door? Opening the door may let it out faster, but it will still escape into the room whether the door is open or not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those who crack open the oven door when finished using it to let the heat out&#8230;where do you think the heat goes if you don&#8217;t open the door? Opening the door may let it out faster, but it will still escape into the room whether the door is open or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just going to jump in and say that preheating is NOT optional in many instances.

But that&#039;s already been covered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just going to jump in and say that preheating is NOT optional in many instances.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s already been covered.</p>
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		<title>By: deRuiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>deRuiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#17 Genny, that is a clever remark.  
Preheat the oven, follow the directions, extract perfect baked goods and other dishes at the end of the cycle.  With gas heading to $5. per gallon, saving 2 cents for imperfect baked goods results is pointless.  This  did fill a page in a book of 365 pages which is now being reatreaded in order not to have to think up a useful tip for a column.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17 Genny, that is a clever remark.<br />
Preheat the oven, follow the directions, extract perfect baked goods and other dishes at the end of the cycle.  With gas heading to $5. per gallon, saving 2 cents for imperfect baked goods results is pointless.  This  did fill a page in a book of 365 pages which is now being reatreaded in order not to have to think up a useful tip for a column.</p>
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		<title>By: Genny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Genny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a tip....following recipe directions leads to much better results than using $200 pots.  You heard it here first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a tip&#8230;.following recipe directions leads to much better results than using $200 pots.  You heard it here first.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 05:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m in the camp which almost always preheats the oven.  It&#039;s critical for baked goods (maybe less so for casseroles), and honestly?  It&#039;s $0.02.  That&#039;s worthwhile to have something that&#039;s baked properly. I&#039;ve found that, especially for goods leavened with baking soda, if you leave it sitting in the oven, they don&#039;t rise as well--by the time the oven reaches temperature, the baking soda has already finished reacting with the acid.

And along those lines:  if you have a good baking book, and it tells you to use a certain kind of pan, listen to it.  Again, this probably matters less for casseroles, but the kind of pan you use can change the time spent in the oven.  Glass and ceramic are great at holding heat, but they also take a while to get to temperature.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the camp which almost always preheats the oven.  It&#8217;s critical for baked goods (maybe less so for casseroles), and honestly?  It&#8217;s $0.02.  That&#8217;s worthwhile to have something that&#8217;s baked properly. I&#8217;ve found that, especially for goods leavened with baking soda, if you leave it sitting in the oven, they don&#8217;t rise as well&#8211;by the time the oven reaches temperature, the baking soda has already finished reacting with the acid.</p>
<p>And along those lines:  if you have a good baking book, and it tells you to use a certain kind of pan, listen to it.  Again, this probably matters less for casseroles, but the kind of pan you use can change the time spent in the oven.  Glass and ceramic are great at holding heat, but they also take a while to get to temperature.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Poodel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Poodel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 05:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My oven doesn&#039;t have a light either. 
As much as Trent likes homemade bread I&#039;m surprised he hasn&#039;t invested in a Bread Machine. (or maybe I missed the post) I bought one for $29.95 at Wal-mart five years ago and it is still baking bread perfectly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My oven doesn&#8217;t have a light either.<br />
As much as Trent likes homemade bread I&#8217;m surprised he hasn&#8217;t invested in a Bread Machine. (or maybe I missed the post) I bought one for $29.95 at Wal-mart five years ago and it is still baking bread perfectly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 03:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do exactly what Swing Cheese does and in the winter crack the door to let the heat escape into the house. I figure I already paid for that heat, I might as well use it.

I don&#039;t ever preheat items for the amount of time it says to, but with baking you should definitely preheat at least 5 minutes. I also turn off the heat right near the end of cooking.

But Izabelle&#039;s advice is perhaps the best savings - use a toaster oven. I personally have not had good results baking breads or cakes in the toaster oven. After a few failed banana breads, I gave up on that. But it is excellent for the kids&#039; chicken nuggets or baked fish or any other thing that isn&#039;t a baked good. We bought one that accommodates most frozen pizzas as well, so we don&#039;t often use the oven for pizza.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do exactly what Swing Cheese does and in the winter crack the door to let the heat escape into the house. I figure I already paid for that heat, I might as well use it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t ever preheat items for the amount of time it says to, but with baking you should definitely preheat at least 5 minutes. I also turn off the heat right near the end of cooking.</p>
<p>But Izabelle&#8217;s advice is perhaps the best savings &#8211; use a toaster oven. I personally have not had good results baking breads or cakes in the toaster oven. After a few failed banana breads, I gave up on that. But it is excellent for the kids&#8217; chicken nuggets or baked fish or any other thing that isn&#8217;t a baked good. We bought one that accommodates most frozen pizzas as well, so we don&#8217;t often use the oven for pizza.</p>
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		<title>By: SwingCheese</title>
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		<dc:creator>SwingCheese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As others have said, skipping preheating only works for certain foods. Once you figure out what they are, you can adjust accordingly. Also, we leave the oven on for the entirety of the cooking time, but once the food is done, we remove the food and turn off the oven but leave the oven door cracked open a bit, allowing the heat from the oven to escape into the kitchen. It makes the room nice and toasty (and since the insulation in our rental is negligible, that is a treat).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As others have said, skipping preheating only works for certain foods. Once you figure out what they are, you can adjust accordingly. Also, we leave the oven on for the entirety of the cooking time, but once the food is done, we remove the food and turn off the oven but leave the oven door cracked open a bit, allowing the heat from the oven to escape into the kitchen. It makes the room nice and toasty (and since the insulation in our rental is negligible, that is a treat).</p>
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