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	<title>Comments on: If You Overdraft for the First Time, Ask for the Fee to Be Waived (56/365)</title>
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		<title>By: Joanna</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2012/02/26/if-you-overdraft-for-the-first-time-ask-for-the-fee-to-be-waived-56365/#comment-984266</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you threaten to leave a company with fair policies when you have tenure and some room negotiate, when the most likely alternative is one with abusive policies who doesn&#039;t care about you? I can&#039;t imagine leaving in a tizzy over something that is my own darn fault.

Ask for the fees, sure. But don&#039;t threaten to cancel when everything is fair and square. Out of the frying pan, into the fire.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you threaten to leave a company with fair policies when you have tenure and some room negotiate, when the most likely alternative is one with abusive policies who doesn&#8217;t care about you? I can&#8217;t imagine leaving in a tizzy over something that is my own darn fault.</p>
<p>Ask for the fees, sure. But don&#8217;t threaten to cancel when everything is fair and square. Out of the frying pan, into the fire.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People with experience get things wrong too.  What then?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People with experience get things wrong too.  What then?</p>
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		<title>By: AnnJo</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnnJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#14, tentaculistic, the bank did not charge you a &quot;stupid&quot; tax, it charged you an &quot;ignorant&quot; tax.  This is a purely voluntary tax, since anyone entering into a business or commercial relationship for the first time has the option of asking someone more experienced how such things work.  

Sadly, the self-esteem movement of the last 30 years seems to have taken its toll on people being willing to admit they are ignorant, though.  Now that virtually everything can be learned privately through an Internet connection, maybe that tax will be charged less often.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14, tentaculistic, the bank did not charge you a &#8220;stupid&#8221; tax, it charged you an &#8220;ignorant&#8221; tax.  This is a purely voluntary tax, since anyone entering into a business or commercial relationship for the first time has the option of asking someone more experienced how such things work.  </p>
<p>Sadly, the self-esteem movement of the last 30 years seems to have taken its toll on people being willing to admit they are ignorant, though.  Now that virtually everything can be learned privately through an Internet connection, maybe that tax will be charged less often.</p>
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		<title>By: Marinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I once didn&#039;t receive a paper copy of a department store bill.  This was years ago before online payments. 

When I received the bill a month later, it had a late charge.  First I felt the shame on me feeling and then, I felt frustrated.  I had this account for years, paid in full to avoid interest charges and wham, there it was.

I went to the store, got to the service counter, explained my situation and got the fee dropped.  Paid in full and I left happy, they kept a loyal customer and I still have my credit card for that store.  If you are polite and have a long term relationship with the company, ask.  Consider all your options if they refuse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once didn&#8217;t receive a paper copy of a department store bill.  This was years ago before online payments. </p>
<p>When I received the bill a month later, it had a late charge.  First I felt the shame on me feeling and then, I felt frustrated.  I had this account for years, paid in full to avoid interest charges and wham, there it was.</p>
<p>I went to the store, got to the service counter, explained my situation and got the fee dropped.  Paid in full and I left happy, they kept a loyal customer and I still have my credit card for that store.  If you are polite and have a long term relationship with the company, ask.  Consider all your options if they refuse.</p>
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		<title>By: tentaculistic</title>
		<link>http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2012/02/26/if-you-overdraft-for-the-first-time-ask-for-the-fee-to-be-waived-56365/#comment-984038</link>
		<dc:creator>tentaculistic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve called my bank several times about fees - once (in my early 20s) my simply asking a question about the credit card interest rate made them drop the rate by a huge amount (I forgot what), which actually made me pretty angry.  It made it clear that they had been gouging me for years until I found out that I *should* be calling them about the interest rate.  It was pretty offensive to find that the bank I had since I was a kid had a &quot;stupid tax&quot; instead of taking care of me as a customer.  A good lesson to learn, but it made me pretty pissed.

The current bank is actually worse.  I have called several times about arbitrary new fees, and they basically tell me to pound sand.  Glad we bailed you jerks out and then paid for your golden parachutes!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve called my bank several times about fees &#8211; once (in my early 20s) my simply asking a question about the credit card interest rate made them drop the rate by a huge amount (I forgot what), which actually made me pretty angry.  It made it clear that they had been gouging me for years until I found out that I *should* be calling them about the interest rate.  It was pretty offensive to find that the bank I had since I was a kid had a &#8220;stupid tax&#8221; instead of taking care of me as a customer.  A good lesson to learn, but it made me pretty pissed.</p>
<p>The current bank is actually worse.  I have called several times about arbitrary new fees, and they basically tell me to pound sand.  Glad we bailed you jerks out and then paid for your golden parachutes!!</p>
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		<title>By: elyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>elyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another thing that bothers me about this post is that Trent is ignoring the fact that fees are a good opportunity to learn a financial lesson.  Every time I have made a mistake financially, there has been an expense.  That expense is what makes me determined not to do the same thing twice.  Here, Trent is basically saying that, rather than learn from the mistake, you can just get the price of the mistake waived, and if the bank or business won&#039;t do it for you, the lesson is that the bank or business is bad, and you should ditch them.  That does not really help teach someone not to do the same thing in the future.  The fact that this is being framed as a money-saving tip is the most offensive bit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing that bothers me about this post is that Trent is ignoring the fact that fees are a good opportunity to learn a financial lesson.  Every time I have made a mistake financially, there has been an expense.  That expense is what makes me determined not to do the same thing twice.  Here, Trent is basically saying that, rather than learn from the mistake, you can just get the price of the mistake waived, and if the bank or business won&#8217;t do it for you, the lesson is that the bank or business is bad, and you should ditch them.  That does not really help teach someone not to do the same thing in the future.  The fact that this is being framed as a money-saving tip is the most offensive bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[deRuiter--you forgot &quot;with all due respect&#039;, which means &quot;you&#039;re an idiot.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deRuiter&#8211;you forgot &#8220;with all due respect&#8217;, which means &#8220;you&#8217;re an idiot.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s no harm in calling. 

But changing banks because *you* messed up doesn&#039;t make any sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no harm in calling. </p>
<p>But changing banks because *you* messed up doesn&#8217;t make any sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ugh trolls. trent using the same tired phrases is just like your tired criticisms.

#getalife]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh trolls. trent using the same tired phrases is just like your tired criticisms.</p>
<p>#getalife</p>
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		<title>By: deRuiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>deRuiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...Simply put, if companies...&quot;  It seems that a paerson with a &quot;passion&quot; for writing would put  information forwarward in an uncomplicated fashion and not bother to tell you that this is &quot;simply put&quot; which in this author&#039;s case it often is not.   This &quot;simply put&quot; is  foolish, lame writing.  Same thing with those who frequently say, &quot;Let me be honest with you.&quot; which indicates  the rest of the time they are lying to your face.  In this latter case, saying, &quot;Let me be blunt.&quot; would be preferable.  Let me see, I am a landlord, a tenant gives me a bad check, I am charged $25. by my bank for depositing it, and, worst case scenario, a check or two I write on this check bounce and there are more fees.  I should give the bad check writer his fees back?  It is easy to live in a dream world with a wife who has a good government job, lots of vacation days and free health care.  In the real world the small business can&#039;t afford to give back the fees it has incurred depositing your bad check.  Penalizing the business by taking your trade elsewhere is childish, immature.  Instead you OWE the small business an apology for passing a bad check.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Simply put, if companies&#8230;&#8221;  It seems that a paerson with a &#8220;passion&#8221; for writing would put  information forwarward in an uncomplicated fashion and not bother to tell you that this is &#8220;simply put&#8221; which in this author&#8217;s case it often is not.   This &#8220;simply put&#8221; is  foolish, lame writing.  Same thing with those who frequently say, &#8220;Let me be honest with you.&#8221; which indicates  the rest of the time they are lying to your face.  In this latter case, saying, &#8220;Let me be blunt.&#8221; would be preferable.  Let me see, I am a landlord, a tenant gives me a bad check, I am charged $25. by my bank for depositing it, and, worst case scenario, a check or two I write on this check bounce and there are more fees.  I should give the bad check writer his fees back?  It is easy to live in a dream world with a wife who has a good government job, lots of vacation days and free health care.  In the real world the small business can&#8217;t afford to give back the fees it has incurred depositing your bad check.  Penalizing the business by taking your trade elsewhere is childish, immature.  Instead you OWE the small business an apology for passing a bad check.</p>
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		<title>By: elyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>elyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 02:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What mary w said.  I said this in the other post about overdrafts and I will say it again:  I have a small business, and I get charged for depositing a client&#039;s bad check.  The fee I charge for bad checks is exactly the fee I get charged if I deposit the bad check, so that means if I waive the fee, I am paying for that person&#039;s bad check at 30 bucks a pop.  That amounts to giving a 27% session discount for writing me a bad check!  Please do take your business elsewhere if this is what you expect, you would make too expensive of a client for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What mary w said.  I said this in the other post about overdrafts and I will say it again:  I have a small business, and I get charged for depositing a client&#8217;s bad check.  The fee I charge for bad checks is exactly the fee I get charged if I deposit the bad check, so that means if I waive the fee, I am paying for that person&#8217;s bad check at 30 bucks a pop.  That amounts to giving a 27% session discount for writing me a bad check!  Please do take your business elsewhere if this is what you expect, you would make too expensive of a client for me.</p>
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		<title>By: valleycat1</title>
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		<dc:creator>valleycat1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a third option-they are sympathetic but stand firm on the business&#039;s rules.   They&#039;d be doing you a favor by waiving the fee (at their expense), it isn&#039;t something they&#039;re required to do. 

I disagree with Trent&#039;s last paragraph.  I make one mistake and the business won&#039;t grant me clemency, so I pull my account &amp; go elsewhere?  Don&#039;t think so, unless they&#039;re really obnoxious about it.   

So, although it doesn&#039;t hurt to ask, I&#039;m always prepared to accept a &#039;no&#039; if the fee was incurred by some action I took. Obviously, if it&#039;s the business&#039;s fault, I expect them to make it right. One needs to be willing to accept the consequences of ones&#039; own mistakes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a third option-they are sympathetic but stand firm on the business&#8217;s rules.   They&#8217;d be doing you a favor by waiving the fee (at their expense), it isn&#8217;t something they&#8217;re required to do. </p>
<p>I disagree with Trent&#8217;s last paragraph.  I make one mistake and the business won&#8217;t grant me clemency, so I pull my account &amp; go elsewhere?  Don&#8217;t think so, unless they&#8217;re really obnoxious about it.   </p>
<p>So, although it doesn&#8217;t hurt to ask, I&#8217;m always prepared to accept a &#8216;no&#8217; if the fee was incurred by some action I took. Obviously, if it&#8217;s the business&#8217;s fault, I expect them to make it right. One needs to be willing to accept the consequences of ones&#8217; own mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: JuliB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JuliB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 00:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have overdraft protection at my bank.  For $35 a year (the cost of a single overdraft), it will cover up to a $2000 overdraft.  The interest rate is 19.99%.  I&#039;ve used it a couple of times and have paid it back within a day or two of any overdrafts.

I have travel expenses for work, and sometimes a bill is due a day or two before payday.  It rarely happens, but it&#039;s a very nice thing to have!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have overdraft protection at my bank.  For $35 a year (the cost of a single overdraft), it will cover up to a $2000 overdraft.  The interest rate is 19.99%.  I&#8217;ve used it a couple of times and have paid it back within a day or two of any overdrafts.</p>
<p>I have travel expenses for work, and sometimes a bill is due a day or two before payday.  It rarely happens, but it&#8217;s a very nice thing to have!</p>
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		<title>By: mary w</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If asking a business to waive a fee when you&#039;ve bounced a check there please remember that their bank changed them a fee for you bouncing a check.  This can be a hardship on a small business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If asking a business to waive a fee when you&#8217;ve bounced a check there please remember that their bank changed them a fee for you bouncing a check.  This can be a hardship on a small business.</p>
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		<title>By: DeeBee</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeeBee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that it&#039;s valid to make an attempt to get the fee waived. This may or may not always work, but &quot;nothing ventured, nothing gained&quot;.

Recently, I was charged a bank fee for going below a minimum balance (not an overdraft). I questioned the fee because I had made a check deposit from another local bank the same day as the withdrawal and thought that the check would clear the same day. In asking for the fee to be removed, I also learned that some checks from local banks are held longer than I thought. While it took 1/2 hour of my time to address this issue in person, I got my money back and also received important information that will help me to avoid any further fees.

D.B.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it&#8217;s valid to make an attempt to get the fee waived. This may or may not always work, but &#8220;nothing ventured, nothing gained&#8221;.</p>
<p>Recently, I was charged a bank fee for going below a minimum balance (not an overdraft). I questioned the fee because I had made a check deposit from another local bank the same day as the withdrawal and thought that the check would clear the same day. In asking for the fee to be removed, I also learned that some checks from local banks are held longer than I thought. While it took 1/2 hour of my time to address this issue in person, I got my money back and also received important information that will help me to avoid any further fees.</p>
<p>D.B.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A cell phone company waiving a fee that you don&#039;t understand is a &quot;clear example&quot; of a bank waiving an overdraft fee?  That&#039;s interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A cell phone company waiving a fee that you don&#8217;t understand is a &#8220;clear example&#8221; of a bank waiving an overdraft fee?  That&#8217;s interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Misha, if you want to be punished, that&#039;s fine.  But if the bank thinks it&#039;s in their best commercial interests to waive the fees for some customers under certain circumstances, I&#039;m not really sure why that&#039;s a determination it&#039;s not reasonable for them to make.  They are perfectly capable of handling their own business affairs.  Whether or not someone &quot;deserves&quot; it isn&#039;t really the issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misha, if you want to be punished, that&#8217;s fine.  But if the bank thinks it&#8217;s in their best commercial interests to waive the fees for some customers under certain circumstances, I&#8217;m not really sure why that&#8217;s a determination it&#8217;s not reasonable for them to make.  They are perfectly capable of handling their own business affairs.  Whether or not someone &#8220;deserves&#8221; it isn&#8217;t really the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Misha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No. &quot;Simply put,&quot; and speaking only for myself, if I manage to overdraft my account, it is no one&#039;s fault but my own and I deserve to be penalized.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. &#8220;Simply put,&#8221; and speaking only for myself, if I manage to overdraft my account, it is no one&#8217;s fault but my own and I deserve to be penalized.</p>
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